Moderation Questions

I'm sure he can do two things at the same time.

I sometimes find it difficult to do one thing at the same time.

I’m sure you’re wrong

I would say the odds something nefarious happened and was covered up in the Obama pond drowning incident is magnitudes greater than the likelihood Trump had oral sex with bill Clinton and was being blackmailed by Putin for it.

The fact you are ok with speculation on the latter and feel the need to contest the former says more about your own biases and prejudices than anything about me.

I took people here who were talking about the latter to be joking, whereas you obviously were not joking. Also, you didn't present your theory as some sort of remote possibility that was nevertheless more likely than some other highly improbable thing. You seemingly believed that a nefarious explanation for the pond incident was more likely than not. And you added a bunch of details that you appear either to have misremembered or entirely fabricated out of whole cloth.

For the record, there is absolutely no evidence in support of either highly improbable thing, and I rate both things as wildly implausible.

Now that you have your "both sides" stuff out of the way, please tell us about the source for your details, whether you continue to believe those details, whether you continue to believe something nefarious happened in light of the details as you now understand them, and what nefarious thing you actually believe happened.

I can answer that for him: the black guy did it.

We never got an autopsy. We don’t really know who he was with or what he was even doing there. He doesn’t even work for Obama anymore.

There is more than enough holes in the story of what happened, that like I said is much more plausible somethjng nefarious happened than a lot of the “jokes” being floated about Trump and Epstein.

Which was the point.

If you're talking about Obama, he's as much white as black.

The man drowned in a very common paddle boarding spot, in very normal clothes for the activity (minus a life preserver), in 8 feet of water, in the middle of the evening - all 4 facts that you got wrong in your description of the events. The only thing that makes it even slightly noteworthy is that he worked for Obama. I put the chance of Trump being involved in some significant way with Epstein (not specifically blowing Clinton, that's obviously crazily far-fetched) massively higher than the chance anything nefarious happened in the drowning of Tafari Campbell.

Also I have no idea who you're referring to bolded. The dead guy doesn't work for Obama any more? Or the witness who was never named and I don't think was ever claimed to have worked for him? Neither makes any sense for your statement.

Edit: Maybe you're referring to who did the autopsy, but the claims at the time that it was Obama's doctor who did it were not true either, it was performed by a public state official (the Massachusetts OCME), so that doesn't make sense either.

there was an autopsy, there were dozens of cops and firefighters called to the scene, this wasn’t at 2am it was much earlier, you said that he was naked with no evidence, so yeah if you just make up stuff then there’s a lot of holes going on. are you even going to retract the complete fabrications you posted?

You don't explain whether you still believe any of the obviously false details you offered the first time around. Instead, you add another false detail about there not being an autopsy.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-che...

Amazing. Also, what do you mean when you say that we don't know "what he was even doing there"? He was paddleboarding in an 890-acre (at high tide) public coastal pond. If someone died in a skydiving accident because his parachute didn't open, would you be in here saying, "we don't even know what he was doing flying through the air with an unopened parachute strapped to his back"?

As for the details, let's be more concrete.

Do you continue to believe that this guy was paddleboarding naked?

Do you continue to believe that he died at 2 am?

Notwithstanding the link above, do you continue to believe that there was no autopsy?

Do you believe it is more likely than not that the Obamas, or someone working at their direction, were responsible for his death?

Guys, let's not forget the important stuff. Barack HUSSEIN Osama, I mean Obama is a flagrant homosexual, and his wife Michelle, I mean husband Michael has a much bigger penis than he does. I learnt this from the everything network formerly known as Twitter.

There was an autopsy. It was kept from the public. Reporters who requested to see it were denied.

There were supposed eyewitnesses. We have no clue who they are or how honest they are being. And because we have no information, we can’t fact check the official narrative.

We also have no clue what he was doing at Martha’s Vineyard. He hadn’t worked for Obama for years at that point.

Based on what we know (pretty much nothing, we are relying completely on the information that has been released, which could all be a lie) I would say the most likely scenario is there was some sort of sex tryst going on. And drugs were probably involved and may have even directly been involved in the death.

And both Michelle and Barrack Obama are on the table as being directly involved in the tryst. And there is a chance someone is holding this information using it as leverage to control Obama.

That is my best guess what is going on.

Wow. Imagine believing all this. This is far beyond anything that I would have expected you to believe. This is Playbig level stuff.

Why should we believe that that he was at Martha's Vineyard for different reasons than most people?

Do you still believe he was paddleboarding naked at 2am?

Do you believe that most autopsy reports are publicly available? As far as I know, that is not the case.

So your Obama murder theory has the mega millions odds of being correct vs. the powerball odds of Trump blowing Bubba being true. A well thought out analogy by only the Luckbox.

The autopsy conclusion was released and the death was determined to be drowning. The body of the autopsy, the tox screen and the witness id are not public records under MA law.

I am not sure he was paddle boarding at all. I was criticizing the official narrative, which I remembered as having those details. If I misremembered some details of the official narrative I don’t even really believe, then I plead guilty as charged.

If there weren't any sordid details, I don’t think there would have been such pains taken to make sure no details that could be checked were released.

Why hide the autopsy results if it was just a drowning?

Based on my experience of how the media operates That is my belief. Maybe it is an incorrect one.

Regardless, I would say my hypothesis of what happened in this event is more likely than all the “jokes” about Trump and Epstein going on in this thread.

He went further in his last post. He apparently believes that his wacky theory is more likely than any other possibility.

So let me get this straight: the MOST LIKELY explanation to you, which mind you is one that requires a conspiracy involving several different government agencies that are completely disconnected from one another all colluding together, is that Obama’s gay lover died in a drug fueled sex tryst and was thrown into the river.

Amazing.

Where did you get the information that he was naked at 2 am? Are you claiming that you thought that was the "official narrative"?

I of course have misremembered things, but I am 100% certain that I have never misremembered such a fantastical, highly improbable detail.

Mind you, this is coming from Dunyain, who regularly (rightly) calls out antisemitic conspiracy theories and antisemitism. Yet many antisemitic conspiracy theories are actually far more believable than the wild story that he has put forward with absolutely no evidence, including multiple either misremembered details or outright fabrications on his part.

In fact if he believes that nothing in the news can be trusted such that every reporter and government agency involved is conspiring with Obama, why even believe that someone died? They’re apparently that powerful, why even believe there was a corpse to autopsy? Why believe anything at all by his standards?

I remember it being 2am too fwiw.

Hard to believe that a poster with such a long and distinguished track record of reasonable posts as Kelhus99/Dunyain could believe ...oh ok, never mind.

Even if you think he’s generally unreasonable, it’s certainly a contradiction (in my view) that he goes so hard on antisemitic conspiracy theories but seems to be a fan of a much more outlandish conspiracy theory about Obama.