El Salvador/Bukele

El Salvador/Bukele

I've posted enough articles about Bukele in the "other news" thread that I figured it was time that he got his own thread.

I'm sure at this point everyone is aware that Bukele has performed something of a miracle in El Salvador-- transforming the country from one of the most dangerous in the world into one of the safest in the Americas, with a murder rate that is now about equal to Canada's.

El Salvador is also one of the only countries to adopt bitcoin as legal tender-- which is now reaping dividends as bitcoin is hitting record highs again. Just yesterday they approved a measure to eliminate taxes on foreign investments, and El Salvador is becoming the model for how poor crime ridden countries can turn themselves around.

Bukele isn't without critics though. He has suspended constitutional law and built a mega prison which houses some 60,000 suspected gang members-- many of whom are being held without charges and I think that poses some really interesting philosophical questions. How many people with face tattoos should be allowed to be locked up without charges so that non-face tattooed people can live without fear of violet crime? What are the circumstances in which constitutional law and basic liberties that we in the West take for granted (or used to take for granted) can be suspended?

13 March 2024 at 04:53 PM
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by Dunyain k

I am pretty sure you actually could fix/reduce it all the time, if you were able to diagnose the problem correctly, and had the will to do what it took to fix it. But progressive ideology pretty much guarantees you will go 0-2 in this respect, so kind of a moot point.

I think sometimes you would start a civil war trying that and you wouldn't necessarily win it every time.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/...

Not looking good here for Buckle locking up dissidents on trumped up charges



Whatever his passport program is, he seems to be valuing each passport at a million dollars? Seems a tad overpriced.


by d2_e4 k

Whatever his passport program is, he seems to be valuing each passport at a million dollars? Seems a tad overpriced.

That's apparently the cost. Even in a country like Spain I think it's a 500k investment so yeah I'd say overpriced.


by Luckbox Inc k

That's apparently the cost. Even in a country like Spain I think it's a 500k investment so yeah I'd say overpriced.

Well, yeah, and it's an investment, not a straight bribe, i.e. you're actually investing in something expecting a return as well as the passport, right? If so, it's a bit disingenuous to say the passport "costs" that.


by d2_e4 k

Well, yeah, and it's an investment, not a straight bribe, i.e. you're actually investing in something expecting a return as well as the passport, right? If so, it's a bit disingenuous to say the passport "costs" that.

Typically the investment gets you permanent residency status and then after a certain number of years of continuously living in your country of choice, you can apply for citizenship.

Some countries will just straight up sell a passport though and El Salvador is one of those. You're right to say that it would be disingenuous to consider the investment a cost for countries that go that route.


by Luckbox Inc k

Typically the investment gets you permanent residency status and then after a certain number of years of continuously living in your country of choice, you can apply for citizenship.

Some countries will just straight up sell a passport though and El Salvador is one of those. You're right to say that it would be disingenuous to consider the investment a cost for countries that go that route.

I thought the "investment" was into something like property or business in that country. Are you saying it's basically a fee (at least wrt to El Salvador)?


by d2_e4 k

I thought the "investment" was into something like property or business in that country. Are you saying it's basically a fee (at least wrt to El Salvador)?

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/e...

El Salvador's Congress has approved a migration law granting expedited citizenship to foreigners who make bitcoin "donations" to government social and economic development programs.
In a surprise vote late Wednesday evening, the unicameral legislature passed the reform with support from President Nayib Bukele's New Ideas party, which controls Congress. The law is expected to come into force in the coming days.
Bukele is running for re-election in the Central American nation's election, scheduled for Feb. 4.
The reform cites the "vital interest" of the president's development projects, highlighting "altruistic foreigners interested in supporting the economic, social and cultural development of El Salvador ... by donating bitcoin."
The law does not cite any minimum "donation" requirement. Bitcoin on Thursday was trading at $43,741.

So I could be wrong about the cost and it's looking like there are some other programs involving actual investment.


by d2_e4 k

I thought the "investment" was into something like property or business in that country. Are you saying it's basically a fee (at least wrt to El Salvador)?

Many countries sell you passports


by Luciom k

Many countries sell you passports

Why would anyone who has USD $1m want to spend it on an El Salvadorian passport? Is it an extradition haven?


is this thread purely to satisfy proof of life requirements for your abductors?


by Luckbox Inc k

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/...

Not looking good here for Buckle locking up dissidents on trumped up charges

Bukele is doing some ****ing up in salvador. He locked up 90k people which is 1% of imo total populationn, many without proper trials.
Thousands of kids witout parenting.
=makes new criminals and gangs. They call him an autocrat.


https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International...

In a speech late Friday, he threatened to use the same tactics on wholesalers and distributors who he blamed for a recent steep rise in the prices for food items and other basic goods.

“I am going to issue a call, like we did to the gangs at the start of 2019," Bukele said, referring to the year he was first elected. “We told them either stop killing people, or don't complain about what happens afterward.”

"Well, I'm going to issue a message to the importers, distributors and food wholesalers: stop abusing the people of El Salvador, or don’t complain about what happens afterward.”

He said “we are not playing around” and his threats were not a smokescreen. “I expect the prices to come down by tomorrow or there are going to be problems,” he said.

Lol


Currently watching this documentary about the mega prison.


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