President Elon Musk
He probably deserves his own thread at this point, discuss accordingly
I don't think it particularly matters who is doing it. It's angry people who feel disenfranchised and hate fElon.
I doubt its chuck schumer and nancy pelosi with masks on...
There's only 1 claim that has been made and you didn't ask for any evidence to support it.
Cool story bro. I value my belly button lint more than your contribution, but thanks for jumping in!
I just want an answer to why my post simply asking if there was evidence that the left was vandalizing tesla was deemed my worst post ever.
It's a valid question. Do you have any? Or are the people accusing them just making it up? Id honestly like to know.
I guess I'll go to bed and give everyone a few hours to track down that evidence. I'm sure I'll wake up and it will be here, and definitely not a whole lot of deflections or talking about why I didn't ask someone I have blocked for evidence.
vandalizing tesla stuff is very punk. I hope this is an indicator of a punk music revival.
Cool story bro. I value my belly button lint more than your contribution, but thanks for jumping in!
I just want an answer to why my post simply asking if there was evidence that the left was vandalizing tesla was deemed my worst post ever.
It's a valid question. Do you have any? Or are the people accusing them just making it up? Id honestly like to know.
I haven't read all your posts but that post was pretty epic, even by strong partisan **** lib standards, or right wing deniability freaks.
Imagine there’s a neighborhood where a lot of houses have been getting TP’d overnight. Let’s say there’s been an ongoing feud between two groups of high schoolers and one group has been vocal about hating a specific family for months, making jokes about pranking them, and calling them out on social media. The other group, meanwhile, hasn’t expressed any opinions on the family and doesn’t seem to care one way or another.
Now, if that specific family’s house gets TP’d, and we don’t have actual security footage showing who did it, it would still be pretty reasonable to assume it was the group that’s been loudly hating on them. Saying "Well, we can’t be sure until we have hard evidence" might technically be correct, but ignoring the obvious likelihood would be pretty naive.
Its easy to both hold the opinion that Elon is a dangerous idiot while also recognizing that those torching his vehicles, likely aren't just random anti ev right wingers - but more likely a case of right wingers doing so as a false flag. But I don't think even that holds up in practicality anywhere near enough to be the main culprit. But who knows.
If you are in good faith asking who is likely doing the damage, the one person who made the claim would be the one to ask. But political ideology is a hell of a drug.
Only info I found on a casual search is that one of the accused vandals was also charged with possessing a suppressed AR-15 rifle. Now come on now. That's a MAGA guy all day.
Not to mention these cars have been known to spontaneously erupt anyway.
My lazy Google search also revealed that Cyber Trucks are being massively recalled and that the panels on them are glued onto the frame and can fly off in accidents.
I'm wondering if in business schools they actually tell the students to be fraudsters because that's how you make money. All the rich guys are selling Trump steaks in one form of another. Why not just teach that in business school? Maybe they do I never took a business class.
pretty sure the demographic you guys are searching for is "fired government worker"
I haven't read all your posts but that post was pretty epic, even by strong partisan **** lib standards, or right wing deniability freaks.
Imagine there’s a neighborhood where a lot of houses have been getting TP’d overnight. Let’s say there’s been an ongoing feud between two groups of high schoolers and one group has been vocal about hating a specific family for months, making jokes about pranking them, and calling them out on social media. The other group, meanwhile, hasn’t expressed any opini
And yet we could have say the same thing about trump shooter?
I haven't read all your posts but that post was pretty epic, even by strong partisan **** lib standards, or right wing deniability freaks.
Imagine there’s a neighborhood where a lot of houses have been getting TP’d overnight. Let’s say there’s been an ongoing feud between two groups of high schoolers and one group has been vocal about hating a specific family for months, making jokes about pranking them, and calling them out on social media. The other group, meanwhile, hasn’t expressed any opini
Lot of words to say "no there is no evidence its libs"
Only info I found on a casual search is that one of the accused vandals was also charged with possessing a suppressed AR-15 rifle. Now come on now. That's a MAGA guy all day.
Not to mention these cars have been known to spontaneously erupt anyway.
My lazy Google search also revealed that Cyber Trucks are being massively recalled and that the panels on them are glued onto the frame and can fly off in accidents.
I'm wondering if in business schools they actually tell the students to be fraudsters bec
1) I'm not sure how a recall for the trucks strengthens an argument much for committing arson but w/e
2) Past occasions of lithium battery fires doesn't role over into particular cases of torched fires with anti -tesla messages and signs of molotov cocktail use.
3) An ar15 is certainly more maga than not but I don't think it's definitive enough when its used in a crime like this.
I guess it's somewhat reasonable to think that some of these cases might be right wingers looking to start some political/race war or w/e but that seems like a rather strong assumption since most of these cases are happening all over the place which to me, would suggest that there are multiple different reasons for it happening.
Yes, you could use any event that works for argumentative sake.
This is just another one of many discussions on 22 where political tribalism is going to dictate which side of the argument someone decides to be on.
Deuces feels convinced its right wingers. Id be curious to know a little more how he reached this conclusion. I would have also assumed that Gorgo would also be interested in some evidence that would likely cause someone to come to that same conclusion.
Basically. You make trades. If you had to make an unbiased bet on the political leanings of the cumulative total all the people who torched a Tesla in the last year, with the information given, do you think the majority are right wingers?
Believe, right wingers cause enough of a mess, but I think we can still approach each situation on its own for what it is without always attempting to group everything into what is best politically.
Yes, you could use any event that works for argumentative sake.
This is just another one of many discussions on 22 where political tribalism is going to dictate which side of the argument someone decides to be on.
Deuces feels convinced its right wingers. Id be curious to know a little more how he reached this conclusion. I would have also assumed that Gorgo would also be interested in some evidence that would likely cause someone to come to that same conclusion.
FWIW I think the world today would benefit more if they focus on facts instead of quick assumptions.
The insta tik tok vision of the world isn’t great .
FWIW I think the world today would benefit more if they focus on facts instead of quick assumptions.
The insta tik tok vision of the world isn’t great .
Right, but its the lack of immediate facts that lead people to go down their ideological path.
It's kind of like discussing the Building 7 collapse. If definitive proof isn't there, political incentives take over and confirmation bias propels it.
Basically. You make trades. If you had to make an unbiased bet on the political leanings of the cumulative total all the people who torched a Tesla in the last year, with the information given, do you think the majority are right wingers?
Believe, right wingers cause enough of a mess, but I think we can still approach each situation on its own for what it is without always attempting to group everything into what is best politically.
If I had to guess any single incident is probably >50% to be lefties but ultimately we will likely never know
But if I were to speculate I would assume that "leopards ate my face" republicans would be the most scorned and resentful
Obv not. You missed the point and I don't feel like explaining it but it's actually pretty simple and straightforward.
Oh, so it's not liberals who have been threatening and preparing for civil war. That's what I thought. Whatever your point was meant to be, it was based on an inaccurate statement.
1) I'm not sure how a recall for the trucks strengthens an argument much for committing arson but w/e
I wasn't making that argument. I was just mentioning it as another dig at Elon.
2) Past occasions of lithium battery fires doesn't role over into particular cases of torched fires with anti -tesla messages and signs of molotov cocktail use.
Sure, in cases where the inspector says it was arson it's arson no question. But now every time a Tesla catches fire people are going to suspect a political motivation.
3) An ar15 is certainly more maga than not but I don't think it's definitive enough when its used in a crime like this.
It was a suppressed AR-15. The intersection of people with that gun and Leftists is the null set.
I guess it's somewhat reasonable to think that some of these cases might be right wingers looking to start some political/race war or w/e but that seems like a rather strong assumption since most of these cases are happening all over the place which to me, would suggest that there are multiple different reasons for it happening.
It's right wingers who don't like Elon and his HBVI visa campaign. Or who got fired from their federal jobs. I don't see how they can start a war by killing Teslas. Musk is very unpopular. "If you kill him you have to kill me first" is something no one is saying about Elon Musk right now. You're not going to start a war by attacking someone universally disliked. I'm anti-racist. If all I knew about someone was that they firebombed a Tesla dealership I'm buying them a drink.
If you are in good faith asking who is likely doing the damage, the one person who made the claim would be the one to ask. But political ideology is a hell of a drug.
I actually wasn't asking who was doing the damage. I was asking if there was evidence for it being the left, since that was the assumption in the media and the dude was laughing at someone saying it was anyone other than the left.
I simply thought maybe I had missed some key information in the story.
And yes I was asking in good faith.
And yes, I'd still like to know why that question has made my post into my worst ever. I'm tempted to believe that just means all my other posts are very good.
And in case you missed my hint, I can't ask the person who housenuts wanted me to ask because I have him blocked. Well, I could but I wouldn't see his answer. I also don't really care about his claim, 1) because I have him blocked, and 2) it goes against the media narrative - and that's actually what I wanted to address (not some randoms' opinions on 2+2).
In regards to the part of your post that I snipped out, while I appreciate the response, I really just want actual evidence not theories or explanations for why someone thinks a group is probably responsible. This is the whole reason for my post. I understand completely why people might assume it was this or that, or even hope, it's just not what I was asking.
I would have also assumed that Gorgo would also be interested in some evidence that would likely cause someone to come to that same conclusion.
Not at all. I have him blocked. I refuse to care about any of his thoughts. I also don't care about the thoughts of the guy I asked, but was wondering if he had information I didn't since he scoffed at the suggestion that it was anyone other than the left. I was simply asking for information that I might have missed, not trying to peek into the minds of random 2+2ers.
But I think I have my answer: no. There is no evidence.
As for my other question, I'll just assume campfire thinks the quality of all my other posts is really high until he explains otherwise. This seems at least a reasonable conclusion since he graded my next post "A+. "
The conversation:
- MAGAs torched all the Teslas
- LOL
- Where is the evidence it was done by the left?
The conversation:
- MAGAs torched all the Teslas
- LOL
- Where is the evidence it was done by the left?
The part housenuts missed:
Media is saying its done by left and I'm blocking the guy that said the first thing (and was asking about the media's claim, not a 2+2 poster's claim).
This was already explained. Did you ignore it on purpose? Now you know why your contributions are deemed worthless.
A 42-year-old transgender woman who allegedly threw Molotov cocktails at vehicles and spray-painted “Nazi cars” at a Colorado Tesla dealership lives with her mother due to “emotional problems” and calls herself “baby” online.
Claiborne said his entire family support the Democrat party, and as such “we have good reason not to like our president. [Nelson’s] not for the president or Elon Musk, but anything beyond that I don’t know.
Sounds like a case of MAGA using deep cover to vandalize Teslas. Guess it turns out Gorgonian was right all along.
The part housenuts missed:
Media is saying its done by left and I'm blocking the guy that said the first thing (and was asking about the media's claim, not a 2+2 poster's claim).
This was already explained. Did you ignore it on purpose? Now you know why your contributions are deemed worthless.
Blocking is fake news. You saw what he wrote. Obviously, since you are commenting on it. It displays as a spoiler. You read the spoiler. Blocking is useless. You could have responded to him but you chose not to.
Your political ideologies have taken over. You are a puppet.
