President Elon Musk

No, its not fine, but people were saying that these things were happening at the time and nothing got done.

It seems like everyone is completely powerless against the project 2025 manifesto. Just a complete gutting and fleecing of the entire country happening right out in the open and nobody can do anything about it while 35-40% of the country cheers it on

it shouldn't be surprising that a decent chunk of the population supports it

do you not think the people doing this stuff don't genuinely think they are doing good for the country policy wise?

by biggerboat m

Hmm....

https://www.npr.org/2025/08/26/nx-s1-5517977/social-security-doge-privacy

NPR

Whistleblower says Trump officials copied millions of Social Security numbers

What's hmmm? Didn't everyone already know that's exactly why Elon hired young computer incels for "forensic auditing," as stealing that information will come in handy when he launches X Payments?

Lol if you think Trump/Miller think what they're doing is for the betterment of the country.

Musk specifically does not give a **** whether it’s good for the country. He’s completely selfish and somewhat insane. He cares about his bottom line and being “cool”.

Trump similarly does not give a crap and is purely selfish.

Miller, I’d believe he actually truly thinks getting rid of all immigrants will lead to paradise. He’s also a sadist who wants to make anyone he doesn’t like as miserable as possible.

From the reporting it seems like most of the people involved in DOGE are similarly motivated by a desire to show everyone how smart they are, and just do the opposite of whatever was being done before.

I really doubt these early-20s guys have the experience or self awareness to even understand whether what they are doing is “good for the county”. It’s total first level thinking - oh man there’s a dead person on the SS rolls?? That’s sooooo crazy, let’s just throw it all on this modern machine to fix that in two seconds. Can’t believe those loser boomers thought you needed an isolated secure database, lolololol

Unlike a lot of MAGA which is actually genuinely nativist and not racist, i think Miller is actually racist in the true, old school sense. If he could he would strip blacks of citizenship and deport them to Africa.

Lol at the assertion that if one is too stupid to realize they're racist, they aren't racist.

uh?

Speak of the devil...

I heard an interview with a former doge bro that was actually pretty good/honest. He joined thinking there would be tons of fraud and after a month he realized there was orders of magnitude less than he first thought. The idiotic stories about 10s of thousands of 120+ year old people getting checks was just basic database crap; DOB entered in wrong format so resets to default value of 01/01/1900 if you run an automated report etc. Actual checks going out to incorrect/nonexistent people was not something they had the tools or competence to find and he was doubtful it was happening in meaningful numbers. He got fired of course.

Yea I saw that one. He did seem earnest in his intentions. As you noted, he’s long gone.

And the people who are left are operating with basically zero transparency now. All that big show with the chainsaw and the WALL of receipts. That **** hasn’t been updated in like a month and every audit by every outlet shows it’s all bullshit anyways- counting the max value of a 10 year contract as “saved” when no funds were actually even pulled back.

Meanwhile these dudes had/still have apparently full access to all government information and no one has any idea what they’re doing besides getting car jacked and leaking PII

No, I don't think people like Scott Bessent think they are doing good. I think they are getting immeasurably wealthy being endlessly corrupt and they are doing fantastic for themselves and their buddies

see i think that's the big gap between you and me

while they are obviously doing things for there own private interests (as everyone does) i do genuinely believe that they actually believe they are doing good

we often frame things as evil being done by people who are trying to do evil - hitler, stalin, pol pot, mao etc, they were all just power hungry people who wanted to control the world and do harm because they go off on it - but that couldn't be further from the truth - every single one of those people greatly believed in what they were doing and were truly dedicated to the cause - and not for selfish reasons - they all thought they were doing great things for their country/people

I'm calling bullshit on this.

Yeah Scott Bessent would have to be a literal ****** to think what they are doing with tariffs is good but I think Scott Bessent is a pretty smart guy

Trump is narcissistic enough to believe that everything he does is for the greater good, maybe, but most people aren’t that delusional

Sounds like woke trolling point .
It’s not their fault , everyone is good in the inside , it’s the environment that is solely responsible for their “bad behaviour” .

But then if it’s only the environment the cause of all the evilness in the world , where does it come from if everyone is good to begin with ?
Now some people are just garbage **** …

I get your point but I think its more of a matter that those people were power hungry first, and that hunger for power can override what is good.

I agree that many of them probably thought what they were doing was great. Hitler obv thought the world would be better without Jews and Stalin waged massive death campaigns in an attempt to promote the most idiotic economic ideas on earth.

But the problem is that anyone making decisions on behalf of everyone else, whether good intentions or not, is a dangerous person for reasons like that. Thye just weren't as bright as they themselves, or others thought they were.

that was not my point at all

i'm saying that it's crude reductionism that yields nothing but nonsense when you drum up the actions of a politician to be grounded in evil

yes, once again formula nails it

To believe killing millions of people is for the greater good and they thought it was a good action in the mind of some politicians is a stretch ….

I'm not sure what we are supposed to do with that anyways. Oh, Pol Pot thought genociding Cambodians was doing good? Okay?

Trump doesn't have to think hes evil to be evil. I don't know that people are assuming that hes evil for evils sake. He just is

i agree with this

i'm merely stating that it's not productive to post your fantasies of him thinking "what's the most evil thing i can do today?"

if you read fire and fury or fear - it's very apparent that he's stupid, lazy, incompetent, and above all else his only desire is to be looked upon in history as a great president

does that make him a good president - not at all - he's the worst we've ever had

but i assure you he genuinely thinks his actions are for the good of the country

And this is why Trump won. Fooled a bunch of cretins he genuinely is for the people!

he won because the opposition was somehow even more incompetent putting together a string of the 3 worst candidates they've ever put forward and embracing identity politics which plays great at cocktail party discussion during fundraisers but not with the general public

Y’all aren’t going to get away from your part in enabling this **** just because you don’t like trans people or DEI