Israel / Iran thread
Seems like this conflict is not going to end anytime soon and is worthy of its own thread.
reports are that trump decided on a strike about 5 days ago. was originally going to be fordo only, but he was convinced by the israelis to ensure the other two sites also went busto
thats what the US picks from bc that is what the US supports. the whole point is to prop up comprador regimes that oppress their people so that the USA and its proxy Israel can profit.
and you might want to look up what happened when Iran actually tried to go Western and secular and left liberal. the USA absolutely could not abide that.
what would you like me to look up?
Iran has been ‘weeks away’ from a nuke for at least 25 years
Yo gabbard gabbard even said they aren’t close to which Trump chose to just say ‘nope I trust my gut, not her’ twice. To which, likely to keep her job, she decided to make up some bullshit about how iran is weeks away from a nuke
But ya, sure, keep on keepin on
Obviously it has nothing to do with regime change. Trump is just fighting a war to prevent an Iran with nuclear weapons.....which he could have had in 2017 by just doing nothing. ArT oF thE deAL
reports are that trump decided on a strike about 5 days ago. was originally going to be fordo only, but he was convinced by the israelis to ensure the other two sites also went busto
If you just keep pestering him to where he might start missing tee times he'll probably just agree to avoid doing more than 10 hours of work a week.
He is old and there is no obvious successor, so Trumpism may just die with Trump; but Trump seems to be doing his best impression to "join Erdogan/Turkey" as opposed to the other way around.
And it looks like Pakistan just nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize. Maybe those two are the new axis of evil if Iran tanks.
America’s Saturday-night attacks on Iran have amplified an ever more open debate in Tehran over the future of the country and whether Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei should remain in power.
In the days leading up to the American intervention, a group of Iranian businessmen, political and military figures, and relatives of high-ranking clerics, two sources involved in the discussions told me, had begun hatching a plan for running Iran without Khamenei—whether in the event of the 86-year-old leader’s death or of his being pushed aside.
Constitutionally, the Assembly of Experts, a body of 88 clerics, would need to vote to dismiss Khamenei from his position, but organizing such a vote under current circumstances is unlikely. The leader could also be more informally sidelined, say, by insiders who pressure or persuade him to pass real power to a temporary replacement. The plotters have agreed that a leadership committee consisting of a few high-ranking officials would take over running the country and negotiate a deal with the United States to stop the Israeli attacks.
The British (with American help) deposed him for threatening their oil business, but he was already dismantling the democracy to consolidate his own power. So framing him as a champion of democracy isn't really accurate.
If you just keep pestering him to where he might start missing tee times he'll probably just agree to avoid doing more than 10 hours of work a week.
Trump has commented in the last week or so he laments not being able to play more golf in the last month because he has been trying to sort out the middle east
I’d say this guy was a mixed bag. Don’t really agree with couping him but at the same time he definitely did some shady, anti-democratic stuff during his reign, including ending and election early to make sure he stayed in power and attempting an insurrection in order to be reinstated into power. Doesn’t exactly sound like a guy that was trying to preserve democracy.
Re: this airstrike being Trump’s revenge for being called a chicken via the TACO meme:
But this action IS Trump chickening out, on America First/non-interventionism. He taco’d yet again.
I’d say this guy was a mixed bag. Don’t really agree with couping him but at the same time he definitely did some shady, anti-democratic stuff during his reign, including ending and election early to make sure he stayed in power and attempting an insurrection in order to be reinstated into power. Doesn’t exactly sound like a guy that was trying to preserve democracy.
unlike the Shah. and Jolani and Abdullah and MBS and Sisi and ****ing Zelensky.
oh noes, a guy did something that may or may not be undemocratic in the mind of a liberal, we better take over his country and make his people slaves to the worse comprador elements.
as Dun, who is a much more honest person than you could ever dream of being, the whole reason was that he tried to nationalize the oil on Iran's own land so that his people could get some of the benefits. that is the one thing that you cant do to the West. you absolutely do not get to control your resources and the West will kill you and your whole family and your whole city if you try to do that. and people like you, ie liberals, will support that mass murder.
watching viktor flip a gasket is worth the price of admission....
Victor stand for absolutely no one anyway.
It’s just a lifelong unhappiness about the entire world on display .
Bernie is a genocidal maniac
Victor stand for absolutely no one anyway.
It’s just a lifelong unhappiness about the entire world on display .
what I stand for is really easy to recognize. self determination, anti-genocide, anti-Imperialism, anti-racism. this hurts your worldview and thats why you short circuit. you support the main architects and drivers of those Supremacist ideals and its difficult for you that I point out how the West leads in those departments.
They are both regime that threaten the U.S. at the highest level openly …..
But since NK isn’t much a danger to Israel I understand your bias .
I guarantee NK as well as the rest of the evil nations are shaking in their boots. You don't mess with the US. They saw how easy and flawless this mission was. They could be next.
thats what the US picks from bc that is what the US supports. the whole point is to prop up comprador regimes that oppress their people so that the USA and its proxy Israel can profit.
and you might want to look up what happened when Iran actually tried to go Western and secular and left liberal. the USA absolutely could not abide that.
unlike the Shah. and Jolani and Abdullah and MBS and Sisi and ****ing Zelensky. oh noes, a guy did something that may or may not be undemocratic in the mind of a liberal, we better take over his country and make his people slaves to the worse comprador elements.as Dun, who is a much more honest person than you could ever dream of being, the whole reason was that he tried to
You’re moving the goalposts. You told me to look up what happened when someone tried to go left liberal Western. I looked at what you wanted to look at and it turned out they had not gone left liberal western.
We can have a discussion about why the British and Americans couped him if you’d like and I can condemn them for the coup while being agnostic as to how he wound up nationalizing it or even disagree with the antidemocratic things he did along the way. None of that is relevant to the claim you were attempting to support in the first place which is what I was responding to.
Bernie is a genocidal maniac
what I stand for is really easy to recognize. self determination, anti-genocide, anti-Imperialism, anti-racism. this hurts your worldview and thats why you short circuit. you support the main architects and drivers of those Supremacist ideals and its difficult for you that I point out how the West leads in those departments.
Those are just lefty buzzwords that can be twisted to mean whatever you want them to. You support Russia over Ukraine, then you claim you are in favor of self-determination. It’s a nothing statement to make those claims because they don’t have any actual content to them.
he was definitely left liberal. and he was Western culturally. what you dont seem to understand is the "Western" means a vassal state that gives all of its resources to the USA.
the USA and UK didnt the coup the guy bc women couldnt wear short shorts, it was bc he wanted to keep resources in the country.
Those are just lefty buzzwords that can be twisted to mean whatever you want them to. You support Russia over Ukraine, then you claim you are in favor of self-determination. It’s a nothing statement to make those claims because they don’t have any actual content to them.
for many years I said that Russia's invasion was wrong and illegal. so no, I dont support that. I support a ceasefire. the liberals do not. bc liberals love war just as much as right wing psychopaths.
as Dun, who is a much more honest person than you could ever dream of being, the whole reason was that he tried to nationalize the oil on Iran's own land so that his people could get some of the benefits. that is the one thing that you cant do to the West. you absolutely do not get to control your resources and the West will kill you and your whole family and your whole city
Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE and Bahrain have done very well working with the British/US, splitting the profits and having protection. Iran could have done this too, but they chose another path and things haven't worked out so well.
I am not making a moral argument here. But working with the west has generally worked out well for third world oil nations, and opposing the west hasn't.
he was definitely left liberal. and he was Western culturally. what you dont seem to understand is the "Western" means a vassal state that gives all of its resources to the USA.
the USA and UK didnt the coup the guy bc women couldnt wear short shorts, it was bc he wanted to keep resources in the country.
Western maybe, I only read the Wiki so can’t really say one way or the other, liberal certainly not.
for many years I said that Russia's invasion was wrong and illegal. so no, I dont support that. I support a ceasefire. the liberals do not. bc liberals love war just as much as right wing psychopaths.
Let’s say that Israel takes 50% of the land of the Gaza strip and 30% of the land of the West Bank. Then they offer an unconditional ceasefire. You telling them to take it? You calling that self-determination?
Your attempts to flatten the situation into pro or anti war are just stupid. You can’t be pro-self determination and also unconditionally anti-war, because there are wars of self-determination. It’s a logical contradiction.
That’s why I say your statements about your ideology are contentless, because they are incoherent.
we need to topple Iran and murder millions bc they are religious extremists
