British Politics

British Politics

Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.

Tory leadership contest is quickly turning into farce. Trump has backed Boris, which should be reason enough for anyone with half a brain to exclude him.

Of the other candidates Rory Stewart looks the best of the outsiders. Surprised to see Cleverly and Javid not further up the betting, but not sure the Tory membership are ready for a brown PM.

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri...

Regarding the LD leadership contest, Jo Swinson is miles ahead of any other candidate (and indeed any of the Tory lot). Should be a shoe in.

Finally, it's Groundhog Day in Labour - the more serious the anti-Semitism claims get, the more Corbyn's cronies write their own obituary by blaming it on outlandish conspiracy theories - this week, it's apparently the Jewish Embassy's fault...

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These ****ing parasites




The race-baiting far-left are taking it predictably well.



Both posts are true. It’s a tactic of the Tories to employ a brown skinned person to do its racism for it in the belief that it grants them immunity from accusations of racism.

It’s a bit like people on forums claiming they have an immigrant partner so they can post lots of racist vitriol about immigrants.


by Elrazor k

The race-baiting far-left are taking it predictably well.


1st is fine

2nd is very bad but she took it down and we make far too much of retweets/etc imo


Do you think Badenoch is nasty?

Do you think all cultures are equally valid?


They dont have to be things I would say or think for it to be fine.

fwiw I'm definitely far more more in the Sultana camp than the Badenough one when it comes to the substance


The point is that we don’t want to go down the US path - Sulkana is just wrong for her first line of attack to be personal insults.

What substance are you referring to? Fwiw I don’t agree with either of them on several issues, but on cultural issues I’m closer to Badenochs views.


by Elrazor k

The point is that we don’t want to go down the US path - Sulkana is just wrong for her first line of attack to be personal insults.


Maybe. It's still ok though. People can legitimately have different appoaches on this. It's not as if KB doesnt have a history.

I wouldn't call KB nasty but then some people say I'm too nice

What substance are you referring to? Fwiw I don’t agree with either of them on several issues, but on cultural issues I’m closer to Badenochs views.


Immigration and pretty much everythign afaik


We have been hearing for like 5+ years that non-white people can't definitionally be racist by "experts" on all major media , that's a core tenet of critical race theory.


Do you think trans women would be allowed in female spaces? Or that cultural relativism is a thing??


by Luciom k

We have been hearing for like 5+ years that non-white people can't definitionally be racist by "experts" on all major media , that's a core tenet of critical race theory.

No, that's not a critical tenet of CRT.

A black person could be racist against Asians or Jews, of course, who could be racist against Irish people.


by Elrazor k

Do you think trans women would be allowed in female spaces? Or that cultural relativism is a thing??

I agree that trans women are women. I dont like the vitriol aimed at some women who struggle with this and/or fear men.


by jalfrezi k

No, that's not a critical tenet of CRT.

A black person could be racist against Asians or Jews, of course, who could be racist against Irish people.

No, Black People Can’t Be “Racists”
The term “racism” must be understood within the context of an anti-Black American polity.

By George Yancy , Truthout
PublishedOctober 20, 2021

Where Did We Get the Idea That Only White People Can Be Racist?

And so on and on and on and on.

It's your political allies, it's the bone structure of intellectualism on the anglosaxon left which rose to prominence recently, it's your people, it's your tribe, own their folly


by chezlaw k

I agree that trans women are women. I dont like the vitriol aimed at some women who struggle with this and/or fear men.

Do you think it's proper to legally force shelters for biological women victim of rape to allow into intimate spaces with biological women who have been sexually violated by dicks and are emotionally scarred beyond the pale by that, other peoples with dicks?

Do you think it's proper to legally force biological women to share prison cells with people with dicks?

If you ever stop a second to judge those claims and your answer is anything but "yes it's absolutely 100% proper without exceptions" then you do NOT actually believe that "trans women are women".


Well this is the UK thread, so take your daft American definitions elsewhere.


Badenoch has just come out and said that "Partygate was overblown" and the real problem was in issuing fines.

LOOOOL

She's an appalling cnut


Can someone from the UK tell me why asylum seekers are house in hotels at 140-150 pounds per person per day (which is more than what a normal family pays per person in hotels)?

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024...

/The latest figures from June show there were nearly 30,000 migrants living in more than 250 hotels at a cost of £4.2m a day./

I don't think the guardian is racist, is it?

Can't they just be housed in the less expensive areas of the country, giving them empty buildings?


Which areas are those?


by jalfrezi k

Which areas are those?

Dunno for sure but i suppose the UK government does have data on which areas of the country have the lowest housing prices? I could tell you about that in Italy

If for some reason i can't understand they have to be in hotels, find the literal cheapest hotels with the lower occupancy rate in the whole country and put them there right?

Or it's a human right to be housed in expensive areas when coming from other countries?


I that where they're currently being housed?


by Luciom k

Can someone from the UK tell me why asylum seekers are house in hotels at 140-150 pounds per person per day (which is more than what a normal family pays per person in hotels)?

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024...

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cos it's very expensive to pay private companies to do it. It isn't luxury - it's the bare minimum if we're lucky. I'd agree we should have the capacity to do it within the poblic sector. It woudl be much cheaper with much higher standards.

Even better, let them work and rent.


by chezlaw k

cos it's very expensive to pay private companies to do it. It isn't luxury - it's the bare minimum if we're lucky. I'd agree we should have the capacity to do it within the poblic sector. It woudl be much cheaper with much higher standards.

Even better, let them work and rent.

why do you pay far less than 600 pounds for a family of 4 if you book an hotel with 3 meals in many places right now?

and the government should get a heavy discount if it books 100 rooms for 3 years right? so should pay far less than you do.

If you spend 3 hours on booking what's the lowest for 4 you can find in the whole UK with 3 meals included? now do -20/30 to that and that's what the government should be paying to house them in hotels


by jalfrezi k

I that where they're currently being housed?

ok so how do you pay 140/pounds/day/person in rural Scotland or northern england off season?

keep in mind Italy did house some asylum seekers in hotels from time to time when pressure was high and we paid a lot less


Tory govt being terrible at governing was deliberate


by Luciom k

why do you pay far less than 600 pounds for a family of 4 if you book an hotel with 3 meals in many places right now?

and the government should get a heavy discount if it books 100 rooms for 3 years right? so should pay far less than you do.

If you spend 3 hours on booking what's the lowest for 4 you


it's a very different martket to being on holiday and the private sector are exploiting it to the full

We all seem to agree it's an awful way to do it.

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