Time dilation and the only place it can't reach

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Graphics are. The content still needs approval from true physics poker math experts.

How is it determined what card you collect when you're successful clicking the stop watch exactly on the second, i.e. at zero hundredths of a second? If you have your choice you'd just pick A,K,Q,J,T of spades each time, right? If it's randomly chosen for you then it's just a watch clicking game. If you pick from a restricted list, how is that list produced?

PairTheBoard

It's not random. Click on the second "SHOW" spoiler button in post #1, and the list of all 52 cards with attributed seconds will pop-up. If you want to play, you'll need to memorize the 1st column (spades), it will be easier.

Thanks. I don't understand your time dilation argument. If your stopwatch is actually running slow it gives you a big advantage. Say it ran so slow that it took a real minute to tick off a single 1/100 sec on the clock. Then you could always click on the double-zero second and get any 5 cards you wanted. If an observer passes by at high speed, he can compute the slowness of your actual time compared to his. But he knows that for you, time is running normally. If your stopwatch is rigged as above and he can see it, he'll know it's rigged. He will see it running much slower than how your clock should run based on his calculations.

PairTheBoard

You're welcome. You misunderstood post #1. Here's how this works:

There are three games:

1. ALPHATRON (TD makes it easier)
2. BETATRON (TD makes it more difficult)
3. OMEGATRON (game is TD resistant)

So only the third game - "Omegatron" is time dilation resistant. The situation you're describing refers to the first game - "Alphatron".

When playing Omegatron with time dilation of the level you described, indeed it would be a lot easier to complete 1st phase, but don't forget that in this game there is also 2nd phase (Betatron phase). This is where the difficulty reaches very high level. Let's say that you collected KAAA in 1st phase, and you switch to 2nd phase which you must do. It will be relatively easy to correctly put a time marker on the last Ace and pick it up, but it will be super difficult to hit 59th second without looking to confirm your hand (4 of a kind Aces). You'd have to wait 600 minutes and hit a 100 minute period.

The example I described is exceptional, because it uses last 5 cards in the deck. But you can't judge all possible 4 of a kind's, basing only on one particular example which is KAAAA. Lower quads will require you to use lower cards, and the lower they are the more difficult phase 2 will be. So the markers will be less accurate (less useful) >>> this will make you go for higher hands >>> this will require more repetitions >>> ...... and the infinite cycle continues (illustration 1).

So the "time dilation" you're talking about has nothing to do with relativity. It's about using a stop watch that actually runs slower than normal in your perspective?

I don't understand the "time marker". How does it work? You place a time marker "in your thoughts"?

PairTheBoard

1) Time dilation isn't only about the velocity, it's also about the gravity. Imagine you're playing Omegatron in a spaceship that cruises around a black hole at a certain (and safe) distance. The closer the ship gets to the black hole, the slower the time on your stopwatch will be running. It's a much better example than the one with velocity. Much better connects with real life situations. And easier to visualize.

2) Time markers work the same way as stones that you place on the ground when being told to walk exactly 1 mile in straight line. When you have a few of these stones, you can place them at a distance that you feel you've walked. They work like a distance guide for you. You place one after 500 yards, next after 100 yards, next after 200 yards, etc. You will gain more precision. If you didn't have any stones, things would get much more difficult. So when picking up a card which is a time marker you think "ok, so NOW is the queen of clubs" for example. It's easier to measure a shorter distance, whether it's a road in front of you or time.

I don't think you understood my objection. When you talk about time running slower you need to specify the perspective. Whether moving fast wrt an observer or under more gravity than an observer, time runs normally for you. It's only from the perspective of the observer does your time run slower compared to his. If you are about to pass the event horizon of a black hole, observers farther out will see it taking you practically forever to pass, while you will experience passing through almost instantly. Time dilation due to relativity has no effect on your experience of time. It only effects the comparison of your clock with others.

PairTheBoard

In addition to gravity stretching and squashing objects, another strange phenomenon that a traveler would observe close to a black hole is something called time dilation, in which time passes slower closer to the black hole than further away.

Source: science.nasa.gov

Time slows down near a black hole due to the extremely strong gravitational field of the black hole. According to the theory of general relativity, this phenomenon is due to the gravity of the black hole curving spacetime in a way that affects all measurements of time and space near the black hole.

Source: profoundphysics.com

I'm just baffled by how this works during the BetaTron phase. The markers are in your thoughts? The markers need to be accurate? You can't look at the stopwatch. You can't press buttons but you do something at exactly 59:00 which lets you confirm what poker hand you got? When did you get a poker hand? What happens if you miss 59:00? What happens if you hit 59:00?

Maybe if you went through an actual game of BetaTron explaining exactly what happened second by second. I feel like the only way I could understand your description of the game is if I already knew how to play it.

I understand you're trying to create a game that has elements where a slow stopwatch is sometimes an advantage and sometimes a disadvantage. And where those factors are perfectly balanced. What might be more interesting to look at is how you believe you've proved the perfect balance.

PairTheBoard

1) It doesn't need to be exactly '59''00, it can also be '59''28 or '59''64 as well. Basically '59''XX. Exact '59''00 would be too difficult. If you miss, all 5 cards you collected go to trash bin. If you hit correctly, it's good for you and your player nature 😀 The markers are in your thoughts, you must remember the cards. Of course sometimes, they will deceive you (when missed), so if you want to make sure that you really hit a Royal Flush for example, you'll have to repeat this game with hitting Royal Flush and 59 seconds, let's say 20 times (you decide how sure you want to be and how many successful repetitions you'll need).

2) BETATRON. Ok, so I start the stopwatch on my Casio G-SHOCK watch and immediately turn it 180 degrees to not see the screen. I won't be pressing any buttons until I feel it's the right moment to capture '59''XX. My markers will help me, so I'll use them wisely. I won't be planning anything, although I could do that, too. I'll just visualize all 5 time marker cards when I feel confident about my time estimation, one by one. First checkpoint I decide to make at 20 seconds, so I collect 6♦. Then after about 4 seconds I use another time marker and take 7♦ at which I hope is the 24th second. But the next time estimation I'm confident with is at 33 seconds and it's T♠. Now I have no draws, so I decide to make a pair and collect next marker at 35 seconds, T♣. Next card comes at 45 seconds, K♠. Now I have to press STOP right before 1 minute time passes. I wait a few seconds, 3-2-1, I press STOP and look at the front of my watch and guess what ... I stopped at '59''98. That was close. I'm happy because pair of tens might not be strong, but if I win a pair a couple of more times, like 7 or 10 times, I can be pretty sure that at least one of those pairs was also a pair in reality. As for the starting high score, this will be a decent and relatively easy to make result.

As you can see, Betatron focuses more on the long run results.

3) Yes, the perfect balance has most likely been achieved between both phases of Omegatron. First thing - consistency of rules guaranteed by poker hand rankings probability. So the game isn't just a simple hybrid where you combine a bike with a bicycle. This is a perfect match of 2 elements (games). Just like each coin has two sides, but it also has it's edge with a certain thickness.

This hexagonal scheme in graphic 1, shows a looped cycle that goes on and on - and only this can guarantee the resistance for time dilation. If it was just "+" and then "-", the minus would win because Betatron phase ends each game and would be then decisive. But it's not, because when you enter the explanation, you're entering an infinite vicious cycle.

Might want to quickly archive this webpage before it gets deleted

The keyword to understand the hexagonal scheme with circles is "REPETITION". It's the point where the cycle gets fully looped. Word "repetition" connects with two things simultaneously:

- repeating the whole game
- repeating the whole hexagonal cycle depicted in the scheme

The word somehow splits in two and completes two tasks at once. Repetition is required to loop the scheme and it's also necessary for playing the game.

BTW: I wonder if the hexagonal scheme of OMEGATRON connects anyhow with the huge hexagonal storm on planet Saturn 😀

word salad post is word salad...

"The popular connection between Einstein, the equation E = mc2, and the atomic bomb was prominently indicated on the cover of Time magazine in July 1946."

Source: Wikipedia

I'm just showing an alternate path of thinking to the one that led to the construction of the atomic bomb.

Oh I see what you're saying... you are saying that the color blue tastes good

OK, you got me - I was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia in 2013. But give me one more chance...

(Sorry for off-topic, but it's just one or two posts, so this won't take much space in the thread.)

I created a side-game especially for you. Both of these photos (click the "SHOW" button below) show ME and they were taken in 2013, so quite some time ago. One of them had been taken a few weeks before I've been taken to a psychiatric hospital where I was kept for 2 months period and the other one was taken just a few days after I left the hospital. Can you guess which one is which ??

If you guess correctly - you WIN
If you're wrong - it's a SPLIT POT
If you don't give it a try - I WIN

I think that's fair. I swear I won't cheat. You have at least 50% chance to win - I think these are pretty good odds. Here are both photos:

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What's in it for me to click that?
Because a 'win' isn't enough for me... I've already won.

Let me ask you this... as a scared person with multiple personalities, do you believe in luck?

Definitely not money. And you've won only the 1st round.
And it seems like I'm going to win the whole match (if you don't play).

If I can make a successful river "hero call debut" with just 6 high after not making any hero call attempts ever before for 16 years, and it happens exactly on the birthday of the most important person for me, than this of course means I believe in luck.

If after hitting a Royal Flush I can play for over 2 hours in a $500 000 prize pool MTT satellite without looking at my hole cards and win a ticket to the next round making it the 1st thing I've ever won in poker, than this of course means I believe in luck.

Although sometimes luck can be an intervention of higher forces. And I'm not "scared", I'm just highly narcissistic to the level where I believe that I'm the king of poker and stuff like that.

Ok, that's all from me on that (off) topic. You decide whether you wanna play my game or not.

I forfeit, and because of this refusal to participate. .. you can not possibly consider yourself a true winner.
So you see, I have won again.

What would Einstein say about OMEGATRON ?

Where is the tea?

PairTheBoard

he would say that Omega should stop making timepieces... except of course fro the Ploprof!