NCAA Football 2023 Season Megathread
Figured I would get this thing started since a mod still hasn’t changed the title of the 2022 thread. Let’s just start o
Watching the ESPN replay of the Wash/Texas game (since like most of America I wasn't up to see it).
It's 4th down with :47 left, clock should be running, but a Wash player has an injury.
Cut to commercial.
Come back from commercial, it's Texas Ball on the 31, 2nd and 10, :41 left.
How in the hell did the punt and first down only burn :06 off the clock?
Kinda would have been nice to see that ESPN. I guess they laid off the people who know how to condense games for replay.
I believe with the injury, they set the clock back to what it was at the end of that play, so they put 51 or 52s on the clock prior to the punt.
I believe with the injury, they set the clock back to what it was at the end of that play, so they put 51 or 52s on the clock prior to the punt.
That's crazy.
Also what a terrible sequence by UT once they got down to the 8 yard line. Ugh.
And LOL ESPN cuts to Liberty vs. Oregon before even showing one replay of the final play. Just a disaster all around.
Yeah, I don't understand the logic behind the rule
In this exact situation, where the defensive team is basically dead, it highly incentivizes them to try to injure an offensive player to gain an extra timeout. And if they get flagged for it, who cares, they are dead anyway. Like you're in the bottom of the pile or something, try to twist a guy's ankle off or gouge his eye or something ****ed up.
It also incentivizes the offense to try and injure defensive players if they are the ones who are losing. Like 12 seconds left, QB takes a sack, you won't have time to get an extra snap, but if you hurt a defender you'll get an extra play.
just seems bad.
It feels like if there is an injury, either team should be allowed to elect to have the clock run? That way the offense cannot fake an injury to gain an extra TO either (I think the defense has the option of a 10 second runoff or something)
Yeah, we couldn't believe it in the stands. I told my friend I think they will set the play clock to 25 and start the game clock and they can run 25 seconds off. We were shocked by the announcement.
I do remember shitbag coaches like Art Briles at Baylor screaming at his player to get up and get off the field in a similar situation but did not remember the details around the clock.
Yeah end of game clock rules are a bit weird anyway. Like saving timeouts just to stop the clock.
Over what time period? Over the last 100 years, USC is 1 and I guess Washington is 2
Over the BCS + Playoff era, Oregon has been consistently good. It might be 1 Oregon, 2 USC, although USC won titles and Oregon didn't.
Utah has been consistently good too and has almost no bad seasons. Over the last 10 years, Utah > USC, although if you're including the Pete Carroll run that was so high that it bumps them overall.
Stanford has some pretty high highs in the Luck / CMC / Gerhart era, but they've also
Looks like it was Cal in the early 1920s. I was technically right about Washington #2, but the Huskies only pulled ahead of UCLA this year. It is a quirk of memory, for a sport that reveres tradition so much, the fans pay no mind to the historical 2nd best team when they are in a down period.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pa...
Yeah end of game clock rules are a bit weird anyway. Like saving timeouts just to stop the clock.
There has always been a fake injury problem, it used to be a free timeout. Even this year on rivalry week I heard He's clutching his left leg, now he's clutching his right leg . . . son it's best to pick one leg and go with it.
I believe with the injury, they set the clock back to what it was at the end of that play, so they put 51 or 52s on the clock prior to the punt.
Wasn’t an injury - Washington had a false start lining up in punt formation with like :25 on play clock, effectively giving Texas the free :25. Certainly would not have been the finish without the extra time. That penalty was even worse than the catch interference on the punt and the 15 yards. But adding them both gave Texas a real shot.
Will Howard commits to Ohio State. I think I like that match.
Not happy about it but then again what could I expect. They're Ohio State. They're not just gonna lay down and die. Huge pick up obv. Assuming JJ comes back Michigan would've been a significant favorite @Ohio state w/o Will Howard. Now it's a toss up. It was a fun fantasy for awhile hoping somehow they wouldn't get him.
We need a Twitter account that reports everytime some random Tom, Dick, Jane, or Billy changes office jobs FOR THE MONEY.
Well the big takeaway isn't that he transferred for the money, it's how much money he's reportedly getting. 650k is a shocking figure to me.
I'd say that earning 200k at Purdue coming off a 2 sack season is the more shocking figure than pulling 650k from the richest program after leading the B1G in sacks and being the top edge rusher in the portal.
A&M should've just used the Jimbo money to buy the top players at each position. Even Jimbo probably couldn't **** that up. I wonder if CFB is headed the same direction as the top leagues in European soccer where only a couple of super rich teams are realistic title contenders.
I'd say that earning 200k at Purdue coming off a 2 sack season is the more shocking figure than pulling 650k from the richest program after leading the B1G in sacks and being the top edge rusher in the portal.
A&M should've just used the Jimbo money to buy the top players at each position. Even Jimbo probably couldn't **** that up. I wonder if CFB is headed the same direction as the top leagues in European soccer where only a couple of super rich teams are realistic title contenders.
The 12 team playoff system will help.
Add West Virginia and va tech get rid of two schools
Who would you drop though? It's a tough call.
You could argue Utah, but it's close so I'd give the nod to another western school for balance. Same with UCLA.
That leaves Sparty, UNC, Iowa, Okie St., and TCU as other teams you might leave out.
I do like the idea of trying to include as many states as possible, provided you aren't reaching too much, so UNC and Iowa safe.
That leaves Sparty, Okie. St., and TCU.
Sparty brings the lols and has a decent amount of history, they're safe.
I guess you drop Okie. St. and TCU then?
Va Tech is a bit of a reach, as they've only ever done anything of note under 1 coach, but I think you need at least 1 school from the Virginias in there so I'd prob pass on VT and give only WVU the nod. Then flip a coin to eliminate TCU/Okie St b/c it's a close call. On second thought, **** Okie St. b/c that **** where they slap their own stadium with paddles to create noise is lame.
Kansas State Arkansas Colorado and a few others in the discussion
Stanford maybe
Colorado for sure if you're going for max clickz
I was thinking Old Piss might be an option too. Not a ton of history, but they'll probably have more success going forward than any of these fringe teams in the NIL era. #1 in the Portal this season by a decent margin (on 247).
28 is way too few teams for the top division of CFB.
Should be 64 probably. Even some of the programs that aren't nationally competitive just add so much to the sport. Having FBS football without Troy or Texas State is fine. Having FBS Football without the Egg Bowl would suck.
Well the big takeaway isn't that he transferred for the money, it's how much money he's reportedly getting. 650k is a shocking figure to me.
It's much higher than you expected? Seems low to me in a world where football coaches get $75M to not coach football. Let me direct your attention to this 2020 NBER working paper:
https://www.nber.org/digest/202011/reven...
https://www.nber.org/system/files/workin...
There's a lot of heavy lifting in the first half regarding rent sharing causality, but I'm skipping directly to Sections V & VI where they focus on athlete compensation. Specifically, Tables 9 and 10 (pg. 50-51) are relevant. These are estimates for player compensation modeled under various structural arrangements.
Table 9 provides mean counterfactual player compensation split on these factors: sport x conference x revenue share x roster size. Table 10 provides additional granularity with estimates at the position level (by sport, by starter/reserve) while fixed on the assumption of 50% revenue share and professional roster sizes.
Of course none of this answers the exact question we're asking, but working backward from Table 10 with napkin math serves my purposes. Table 10 compensation for defensive lineman is ~$1.3M under professional roster size and revenue share (50%) assumptions. I'll discount to college roster size and also the lowest split of revenue share*, then scale up to conference. The number I get is roughly $675,000, but that's in 2018 dollars; bumping with CPI is about $840,000. Also recall that's for an "average starter" in conference under the specified structural arrangement, not top free agents which should arguably command big premiums.
*I imagine that the sum of current NIL payouts amounts to far less than the equivalent of 30% revenue share. It should look like de facto revenue sharing over time to some extent, but I seriously doubt we're anywhere close to equilibrium yet. Teams/boosters are slowly figuring out they should pay top free agents way more and dumbass coaches way less. This particular agreement works out to about 25% equivalent when including non-cash compensation. It's a step in the right direction but still a long way toward getting something that's actually equitable.
Well a few years ago wasn’t their salary free chicken nuggets and textbooks?
28 is way too few teams for the top division of CFB.
Should be 64 probably. Even some of the programs that aren't nationally competitive just add so much to the sport. Having FBS football without Troy or Texas State is fine. Having FBS Football without the Egg Bowl would suck.
Yeah, you can't cut teams like WVU and BYU. WVU is 22nd all time in wins, huge passionate fan base, tons of history and NFL talent, extremely intense rivalries, etc.
BYU is like THE SCHOOL for all mormons. Like nobody roots for Oklahoma State or TCU unless you are affiliated with the school. They don't represent anything larger than themselves.
Illinois is the 6th most populous state in the country. You're not gonna have one team from Illinois? Nobody from Arizona or Colorado or Mississippi?
28 is way too few teams for the top division of CFB.
Should be 64 probably. Even some of the programs that aren't nationally competitive just add so much to the sport. Having FBS football without Troy or Texas State is fine. Having FBS Football without the Egg Bowl would suck.
I'd be a fan of 64, but could probably live with 40-48. 28 is definitely too few. You're going to include Iowa, Wisconsin and Nebraska but not Minnesota? Pretty easy to come up with a number of others that should be in there.
