2023 NFL Regular Season
As a niners fan I have spent this entire offseason in a silent rage
The last 20 years of being a niners fan has been an a
The story of the Chiefs this year is the defense. Mahomes is mostly just being a game manager and making a few big plays when needed.
If the Chiefs didn't have a championship caliber defense this year, even Mahomes playing out of his mind couldn't have dragged them this far.
The real story imo is Veach absolutely nailing the draft the last 3-4 years.
Sneed
McDuffie
Creed
Bolton
Trey Smith
Rashee Rice
Karlaftis
Pacheco
Willie Gay
Mike Danna
Jaylen Watson
Bryan Cook
Joshua Williams
Leo Chenal
Chamarri Connor
All still on rookie deals, all major contributors, a couple all pros, and several more playing at pro-bowl level.
Quinn to the Commanders. That is such an underwhelming hire given their situation.
The stench of the Synders must still be on the org around the league.
I totally agree. Really, truly boring. IDK, maybe the boring hire is the right one but you'd think you'd find an Offensive coach to partner with a top QB pick
although maybe....just maybe this might cause them to trade down for a huge haul and build around Howell. Which would be really good fun for content purposes
Chiefs ranked 15th in Rush Defense, giving up 4.5 YPC.
#1 Rusher in the league CMC - 1459
2nd - Henry - 1167
There's always the chance that for some unforeseen reason, the 49'ers will choose to completely ignore the run like the Ravens. Kinda doubtful though.
I totally agree. Really, truly boring. IDK, maybe the boring hire is the right one but you'd think you'd find an Offensive coach to partner with a top QB pick
although maybe....just maybe this might cause them to trade down for a huge haul and build around Howell. Which would be really good fun for content purposes
I was actually thinking the same thing
Quinn isn’t the guy you’re hiring if you’re taking a potential future of the franchise at 2
The story of the Chiefs this year is the defense. Mahomes is mostly just being a game manager and making a few big plays when needed. If the Chiefs didn't have a championship caliber defense this year, even Mahomes playing out of his mind couldn't have dragged them this far.The real story imo is Veach absolutely nailing the draft the last 3-4 years.Sneed McDuffieCreedBoltonTrey
I agree with this.
The Chiefs have drafted very well, they found contributors all over the field on both sides of the ball, at every round of the draft.
I wish the Falcons had half as many solid starters from their last 3 drafts…. Especially in rounds 3-7.
And this is by far the best defense of the Mahomes era.
I totally agree. Really, truly boring. IDK, maybe the boring hire is the right one but you'd think you'd find an Offensive coach to partner with a top QB pick
although maybe....just maybe this might cause them to trade down for a huge haul and build around Howell. Which would be really good fun for content purposes
I was actually thinking the same thing
Quinn isn’t the guy you’re hiring if you’re taking a potential future of the franchise at 2
Maybe he can assemble another all star coordinator/assistant staff to carry him like in Atlanta.
Maybe Commanders plan on keeping Eric Bienemy as OC?
His QB in Kansas City apparently was a big fan of him.
well their offense wasn't completely horrible, considering that their quarterback was something called sam howell. their problem was that their defense was the worst in the league by a mile. so if keeping bienemy is an option, i'd prob look into it
Not to rip off the Bork bandaid and trainwreck the next 50 posts but
49ers CEO Jed York revealed a conversation he had with Kyle Shanahan after a 2022 training camp practice when the coach admitted Mr. Irrelevant was better than Garoppolo and Lance.
"He's like, 'I think our third-string quarterback is our best quarterback ,'" York said, via David Bonilla of 49erswebzone.com. "I'm like, 'OK, what does that mean?' He's like, 'Well, obviously, we've invested in Trey. Trey is doing a good job. We're going to do everything that we can. We're not going to change that, and we're not going to change the depth chart, but I think Brock will end up being our quarterback at some point.'"
Shanahan didn't make the move himself. Instead, it worked itself out.
Lance began the season as the starter but fractured his right ankle in Week 2, and Garoppolo fractured his foot in Week 13.
Purdy became the starter in Week 14 last season and didn't lose until the NFC Championship Game when he injured his elbow early in the game.
"He didn't force it," York said of Shanahan's quarterback decision. "You had two injuries, and that's how Brock ended up playing. But he's always honest. One thing that owners don't love to hear when they've invested money and/or draft picks, or both, into people is that the last pick in the draft is the guy that we think is the best. That's generally not great news, but he's honest, and he let it play out the right way."
Garoppolo, who the 49ers paid $121 million for six seasons, and Lance, who cost the team multiple first-round picks, no longer are in San Francisco.
I believed Kyle thinking this to be the case from the very beginning, but it’s very weird to see it actually admitted to. Seems confusing in context. If Lance played out halfway decently and didn’t shatter his ankle then what?
Harbs is a weird ****in guy
Not to rip off the Bork bandaid and trainwreck the next 50 posts but
I believed Kyle thinking this to be the case from the very beginning, but it’s very weird to see it actually admitted to. Seems confusing in context. If Lance played out halfway decently and didn’t shatter his ankle then what?
ultimately I guess it shows that the NFL and it's teams are $Billion organisations and there are politics at play when making decisions
The story of the Chiefs this year is the defense. Mahomes is mostly just being a game manager and making a few big plays when needed. If the Chiefs didn't have a championship caliber defense this year, even Mahomes playing out of his mind couldn't have dragged them this far.The real story imo is Veach absolutely nailing the draft the last 3-4 years.Sneed McDuffieCreedBoltonTrey
I get your overall point, who you're trying to give credit to and what you're trying to say.
But ultimately the Chiefs are just another average team if they had an average QB. Mahomes is the core which this is all built upon. Same with Brady. I just saw people make this mistake for 2 decades.
Without the top QB propping a poverty offense up, it is just another 7-8 win team and then who cares how many good defensive picks you make. You know how many NFL teams don't have elite QB's propping up certain aspects of their team but make good moves like those listed above? It just ultimately ends up being meaningless and no one cares.
And Mahomes leading 2 long TD drives to start the game sets the Chiefs D up to play their style the rest of the game basically. When you largely know how you're going to have to play to win certain games, it makes the defenses job a lot easier.
When I said this about Brady it just sounded like simping truther stuff, but it basically true of the elite QBs even when they aren't dominating. It is a universal truth that can't really be quantified.
If the Chiefs had Derek Carr (not elite, but not a bum either) throwing to an aging Kelce, Rashee Rice and JAGS, their defense being good would be some footnote no one cared about. And their run D would get exposed a lot more in gameflow neutral situations, not to mention you probably get more injuries from being on the field more.
The Panthers had a good defense this year, so did the Patriots.
And no one is going to give your GM credit when you've spent high picks on Skyy Moore, CEH, traded for Toney and have average play at the offensive tackle positions when you have like the 18th best offense in the NFL. Actually, you might get fired sooner than later. The good gets amplified, the bad gets minimized with a Mahomes.
Panthers defense was 25th in DVOA. It probably seems better than it was since their offense was so awful and for a team with such a bad record usually the defense is absolutely horrendous like Washington's.
yeah, wasn't really meaning in total but more late in the year when Horn was back they were a lot better. Some of that is schedule setup too, but point remains that most of these bum teams did some things right that end up not meaning much because their QB sucks or is mediocre.
When you make the AFCCG every year and the Super Bowl almost every year. If they didn't do those this year, those hard questions were getting asked. They might anyway.
As the 3 seed they beat the 2 seed on the road and the 1 seed on the road. Both of which were very strong teams.
It's the height of delusional fandom to say that's all just Mahomes doing Mahomes things. They got lucky. Mahomes is doing his best Eli Manning impression. Anyone who says otherwise needs to produce the receipts of how much they bet on the Chiefs to make the Super Bowl, as they had longshot odds right up until the playoffs started.
When you make the AFCCG every year and the Super Bowl almost every year. If they didn't do those this year, those hard questions were getting asked. They might anyway.As the 3 seed they beat the 2 seed on the road and the 1 seed on the road. Both of which were very strong teams. It's the height of delusional fandom to say that's all just Mahomes doing Mahomes things. They got l
I don't really care about any of these people to have bias towards them. I did bet the Chiefs vs Bills and Dolphins which I posted here, not sure what that has to do with anything.
No one said its ALL Mahomes just like no one ever said it is all Brady, he's just the main and most important ingredient. Replace him with a QB you deem league average and the Chiefs are just another run of the mill team barring small sample run good.
We just did this **** for 20 years with another guy, now you let 1-2 years go by and you're right back at it?
If the Chiefs had Derek Carr (not elite, but not a bum either) throwing to an aging Kelce, Rashee Rice and JAGS, their defense being good would be some footnote no one cared about. And their run D would get exposed a lot more in gameflow neutral situations, not to mention you probably get more injuries from being on the field more. The Panthers had a good defense this year, so
I agree, this years team would be average w/o Mahomes. My only point is that this team also wouldn't be going anywhere w/o this defense.
Everyone has some whiffs. Show me a team that's drafted better than the Chiefs the last 4 years (remember they're picking usually around 30th in each round).
I don't really care about any of these people to have bias towards them. I did bet the Chiefs vs Bills and Dolphins which I posted here, not sure what that has to do with anything. No one said its ALL Mahomes just like no one ever said it is all Brady, he's just the main and most important ingredient. Replace him with a QB you deem league average and the Chiefs are just another
Sorry if I wasn't clear.
You said with Mahomes the good gets amplified and the bad gets minimized.
And I said it's not Mahomes: it's winning.
The rest was explaining that. I wont repeat it, so as not to obfuscate my point again.
Sorry if I wasn't clear.
You said with Mahomes the good gets amplified and the bad gets minimized.
And I said it's not Mahomes: it's winning.
The rest was explaining that. I wont repeat it, so as not to obfuscate my point again.
When I said the good gets amplified and the bad gets minimized, i meant front offices/coaching/rest of team when you've got an elite QB...Not the QB himself.
When I said the good gets amplified and the bad gets minimized, i meant front offices/coaching/rest of team when you've got an elite QB...Not the QB himself.
Right. And I'm saying it's not 'when you've got an elite QB' it's 'when you are in the AFCCG+ every year'
Those two may seem like the same thing but they are not the same thing. It's entirely possible for a team QB'd by Patrick Mahomes not to make the AFCCG.
