2023 NFL Regular Season

If KC loses in the Wild Card round people would call for Veach to be fired. In addition to the great draft picks you listed, mostly later round, here's the full list of skill position players he drafted in the first two rounds since taking over as GM in 2017:

2019: Mecole Hardman
2020: Clyde Edwards-Helaire
2022: Skyy Moore
2023: Rashee Rice

That's the full list. Thanks to the emergence of Rice towards the end of the season, at least nobody can say that all his early round skill position picks have been total busts anymore.

They had one of the best pass catching duos of all time during part of that span and when they let tyreek go they brought in something like 34 new FA pass catchers - they went from having a WR room to a WR wing in their facility. There are roster limits so they were limited at that point how many WRs they could draft.

Yeah he's been shitty on those. I assume Reid has massive impact on selecting the offensive skill position players. They seem to have an athletic type that they think they can mold into a great receiver. It hasn't worked. I'd really like to see them draft some high-floor guys with actual WR instincts and/or some big bodies that know how to fight for the ball.

But then again the draft nerds loved Skyy Moore. Brugler said he had the best route running out of all the WRs, which is literally his worst trait now. So weird. The draft is a crapshoot. If anything I wonder if we're doing something wrong coaching these guys. Which is more of a Reid call, and how he picks his assistants.

And again, you really need to cherry pick just that category to find something to complain about, while ignoring all the other great draft picks, being instrumental in getting Mahomes, and the Tyreek Hill trade, which worked out great. Name a GM who hasn't had busts. Veach's just seem to cluster in a certain area, which could just be variance, or maybe they have a blind spot. At least it's trending upward with the Rice pick.

Conversely, the Chiefs seem to be a defensive back factory at the moment. It's not supposed to be this easy to pick up all pros and solid players at a premium position like CB in basically any round. You can't just throw those results out.

I spend a lot of time on Chiefsplanet. Literally no one would have called for Veach to be fired if we lost the Miami game, and if they did they'd be laughed off the site. This was a ****ed up year all around. No one had any expectations for the playoffs, and knowledgeable Chiefs fans know what they have in Veach. He'd need to completely whiff for a few drafts before people would start calling for that.

huh?

I think he meant not expecting a lot in the playoffs.

KC was shorter than odds on to win AFCW, even with that run by DEN.

Yeah I mean expectations once we got to the playoffs. There was always hope because of our defense, and Mahomes. But the team really needed to turn around a bunch of **** to go this far, which somehow they magically did, starting at about week 16.

we have the game's best QB, arguably the current best head coach, an ELITE D and an ultra-reliable placekicker, but don't expect to do much in the one-and-done portion of the season

does not compute

On ArrowheadPride the overall sentiment was pretty negative, including on Veach. If you sort by "most recommended" in the comment section during the second half of the regular season, you'll find a bunch of posts about Veach.

You're right about the "no expectations for the playoffs" part but that started only after the bye week. The whole off-season most Chiefs thought they would run it back with #1 WR Kadarius Toney and #2 WR Skyy Moore. At that point most people thought that Rashee Rice would be mostly redshirted like other rookies in the past.

FWIW I definitely don't agree with negative feelings about Veach. But I also think people are right when they blame the ridiculously bad WR room on him that resulted in the franchise QB being visibly upset with his teammates for the first time in his career. Since keeping Mahomes happy is among the main priorities for the team, I'm sure we'll see a very different WR group next season even though moving on from Toney and Moore doesn't make sense because they're on rookie contracts.

lmao

It doesn’t fit the narrative of getting both the GMs balls in your mouth and slurping hungrily

Did you watch the Chiefs in the second half of the season? They got destroyed by Green Bay, Denver and the Raiders.

A weighted crapshoot. The point is Skyy Moore sucks at the exact thing all the draft nerds thought he was good at. I don't understand how that happens. How does Jamarcus Russell become a consensus #1 overall?

If you're talking about in-game threads, that's a whole different animal. People completely lose their minds in-game. They want to fire everyone. I also listen to like 10 different Chiefs podcasts (which is ridiculous I realize). They have no problem acknowledging some of the crappy draft picks, but overall no one even comes close to wanting to can Veach.

I'm sure we'll see a different WR room too. Just like rebuilding the O-line after the Tamba Bay debacle. I guess they're going to have to try to run it one more time with Skyy, which is unfortunate. I really hope they cut ties with Toney, the dude is erratic and actively cost us the Lions game.

you know i did. doesn't change anything i said. the AFC was always coming down to KC or BAL

Filling that roster spot with someone else is worth way more than the $2.5 dead. He’s a sunk cost at this point.

I don’t think anyone is surprised KC made it but it’s unlikely you’re going into the playoffs thinking it’s them

They had to win in Buffalo and win in baltimore when mahomes has never played a road playoff game. In no world was that a given

Along with his demand for control, his fail after Brady/QB lameness, his salary demands, suspicion he's more and more out of touch with modern players only camouflaged by Brady produced succees ... I think a big reason everyone is passing on Belichick is his intolerable insults to the media, the fans and the city with his press conference behavior. At least I hope that's part of it. As in: "You better be bringing home Lombardi Trophies if you act like that, and I don't see any evidence you'll be doing any such thing. We don't want you."

Beautiful.

Yeah what owner is down for the whole negative circus of Belichick press conferences? He kind of painted himself into a corner on that one.

I think it is more the contract demands/organization overhaul needed to accommodate him + the fact he is turning 72 years old in a few months and hasn't won a playoff game since a year before covid hit

but it is also true that being a dick to the media plays a lot better when you're a perennially contending/SB winning machine

It's idiotic he even looked. Dude, you peaked. Go out on top.

he never peaked, Brady peaked, he was merely along for the mustache ride.

Are you describing the Ravens? The "ultra reliable placekicker" fooled me.

All kidding aside, KC's road to the SB had about 8% equity. A ML parlay would pay you about 10:1 assuming you got on them early against MIA.

I don't know in what world that translates to an expected SB appearance, which is the standard when you've been there 3 of the past 4 years.

When your one positive is your accuracy, but you come in last place in a passing game that focuses on accuracy.

You don't deserve the bag.

Precision Passing with CJ, Tua, Minshew, Jalen, Baker, and Geno.

we've gone from "no one had any expectations for the playoffs" to "an expected SB appearance" in 4.6 seconds Bob. not even Butker would have success kicking at those shifting goalposts

fwiw, Butker has 45% more playoff FGAs than Tucker with the same amount of misses. Tucker hasn't successfully executed nearly as many pressure packed playoff kicks as Butker has

In the SB thread I've posted a picture of one of our kids Chiefs spirit week in elementary school.

Just realized, in 5 years of preschool, kindergarten and elementary school they've done Chiefs Superbowl spirit week 4 times. Doesn't really matter if that streak ends next year, by that time we're probably not around here anymore anyway.