2025 NFL Game Thread – Week 4
Thursday
Seattle Seahawks (-1.5) @ Arizona Cardinals
Sunday
Dublin – Croke Park – 9:30am EST (NFL Network)
Minnesora Vik
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The only wrinkle is if the team that has first possession does a 10 minute drive and scores as time expires, the game ends in a tie because the other team never got a chance at possession.
I'm like 99% sure this is wrong. The rules say nothing like this, only that it's a tie if the score is level when the extra period ends even if the other team never had a possession. It's not explicit, which is why I'm only 99% sure, but everything about the way the rule is written implies that if the team getting the first possession scores as time expires that team wins.
I'm like 99% sure this is wrong. The rules say nothing like this, only that it's a tie if the score is level when the extra period ends even if the other team never had a possession. It's not explicit, which is why I'm only 99% sure, but everything about the way the rule is written implies that if the team getting the first possession scores as time expires that team wins.
Both teams getting a possession is the predominant rule. If that doesn't happen, it's a tie.
I don't understand why they wouldn't extend the OT to another period during the second team's drive. They said they would have done it in the Super Bowl for the Chiefs. Are the regular season rules different?
Ya. Cant tie in playoffs. I remember Denver and Baltimore played a double OT playoff game when Peyton was the Broncos QB.
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Denver got the ball back with 35 seconds left in regulation, John Fox knelt on it, and Dierdorf lost it in the booth.
Denver got the ball back with 35 seconds left in regulation, John Fox knelt on it, and Dierdorf lost it in the booth.
In the first half they got the ball back with 3 times outs at the 20 (maybe 25 i forget what the rule was back then for touchbacks)
Fox knelt on it.
For context Peyton Manning won mvp that year.
For the regular season I wish they'd just go back to the old rules (first score wins). Hate seeing ties in the standings.
they just shouldn't have ties. It's ridiculous to have guys killing each other for 70 minutes to end in a tie with a 17 game season. Both teams should get a chance to score.
And shortening OT to 10 mins made no sense bc it made ties more likely after the rule change both teams get the ball in OT unless first score is a TD (and now they both get it anyway)
The nfl is so worried about player safety they play thursday night games lmao.
This is the 8th tie since OT was shortened to 10 mins. So every 260 games or so this is an issue.
teams can't play an extra few minutes every 260 games when something like this happens? give me a break.
I'm like 99% sure this is wrong. The rules say nothing like this, only that it's a tie if the score is level when the extra period ends even if the other team never had a possession. It's not explicit, which is why I'm only 99% sure, but everything about the way the rule is written implies that if the team getting the first possession scores as time expires that team wins.
start around 8:20 mark if the timestamp doesn't work
Both teams getting a possession is the predominant rule. If that doesn't happen, it's a tie.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl...
Here's what the rules say:
Following an intermission of no more than three minutes after the end of the regular season game, the extra period of 10 minutes shall commence. The following shall apply:
- 1. Both teams must have the opportunity to possess the ball once during the extra period, unless the team kicking off to start the overtime period scores a safety on the receiving team’s initial possession, in which case the team that kicked off is the winner.
- 2. After each team has had an opportunity to possess the ball, if one team has more points than its opponent, it is the winner, subject to Article 5(a) below.
- 3. If the team that possesses the ball first does not score on its initial possession, or if the score is tied after each team has had its opportunity to possess the ball, the team next scoring by any method shall be the winner.
- 4. There shall be a maximum of one 10-minute period, even if the second team has not had an opportunity to possess the ball or if its initial possession has not ended. If the score is tied at the end of the period, the game shall result in a tie.
- 5. Each team shall be entitled to two timeouts, and if there is an excess timeout, the usual rules shall apply (see 4-5). The general provisions for the fourth quarter of a game, including timing, shall apply.
It's weird, you'd think rule #4 above would specify what happens if one team never gets to possess the ball, and the game is not tied.
It's not really clear which rule supersedes which. I guess the order they're listed is supposed to determine precedence?
Not sure who those guys are in your video. But I assume they're some kind of rules experts and not just random talking heads?
Ties should be broken by a 100-yard dash in full gear and carrying a ball between the heaviest man on each team.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl...Here's what the rules say:It's weird, you'd think rule #4 above would specify what happens if one team never gets to possess the ball, and the game is not tied.It's not really clear which rule supersedes which. I guess the order they're listed is supposed to determine precedence?Not sure who those guys are in your video.
Ya the rules are poorly drafted imo.
They spoke with rules experts for clarification on it. There was a segment the other week about it.
Cool.
One thing I wasn't thinking about as well, is that 3rd possession is a lot less valuable with the regular season rules than the postseason. Since with only 10 minutes, you're a lot less likely to get the ball back for the 3rd possession with much time left on the clock. So maybe not so much lol Shanahan.
In regular season, if you get the ball first you either want to go very fast, or very slow.
Fast so you can get ball back with time for 3rd possession, or slow so the opposing team has clock trouble during their possession.
In the first half they got the ball back with 3 times outs at the 20 (maybe 25 i forget what the rule was back then for touchbacks)
Fox knelt on it.
For context Peyton Manning won mvp that year.
Adrian Peterson won in 2012, Peyton won in 2013 when they got beat by Seattle (in embarrassing fashion) 😡
In regular season, if you get the ball first you either want to go very fast, or very slow.
Fast so you can get ball back with time for 3rd possession, or slow so the opposing team has clock trouble during their possession.
Clock issues are rarely a problem anymore if you have more than a minute and a couple timeouts. Teams drive for game winners all the time like this.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl...Here's what the rules say:It's weird, you'd think rule #4 above would specify what happens if one team never gets to possess the ball, and the game is not tied.It's not really clear which rule supersedes which. I guess the order they're listed is supposed to determine precedence?Not sure who those guys are in your video.
I think the fact it says maximum of one 10-minute period supersedes anything else. Once that 10-minute period ends, it doesn't really matter what else has happened in the OT period. The score at the end of 10 minutes, if they're still playing, is the final score.
I think you probably go for it on 4th and 1 but not 4th and 3, would like to see the analytics though
i lol'd
I think the fact it says maximum of one 10-minute period supersedes anything else. Once that 10-minute period ends, it doesn't really matter what else has happened in the OT period. The score at the end of 10 minutes, if they're still playing, is the final score.
my thoughts as well
Im ready to bet on Miami under one condtion, tua gets ko'd.
I would take Miami anyway but their qb is one stiff breeze away from night night, the shadow realm, where dreams come alive. So am I willing to bet on milf hunter?, yes, but I need the correct line for a milhunter game, maybe +5? Which should happen once tua gets bumped on the noggin. Sitting here ready for terrible football and to bet on a poor s.o.b, whose only crime was to be drafted by the jets.
Huh, that's definitely bizarre if true because the rules as written definitely imply otherwise. It's obviously a niche edge case but it's not a particularly outlandish one to consider (and presumably has had some consideration if they had rule experts on to clarify) so it's weird that the written rules are wrong about it.
I'm still dubious about that actually being the case but it's going to be tough to know for sure either way without having someone from the NFL make a statement about it or it actually happening in a game.
Huh, that's definitely bizarre if true because the rules as written definitely imply otherwise. It's obviously a niche edge case but it's not a particularly outlandish one to consider (and presumably has had some consideration if they had rule experts on to clarify) so it's weird that the written rules are wrong about it.
I wouldn't say the rules as written are wrong, per se, but they are quite poorly drafted.
The first line says each team must have the opportunity to possess the ball.
The rules also say OT is a maximum of 10 minutes.
If the second team never gets the opportunity to possess the ball, the requirement in that first line can't be met.
I wouldn't say the rules as written are wrong, per se, but they are quite poorly drafted.
The first line says each team must have the opportunity to possess the ball.
The rules also say OT is a maximum of 10 minutes.
If the second team never gets the opportunity to possess the ball, the requirement in that first line can't be met.
The issue I have with that interpretation is that the only place that says the result is a tie is in d) and that both explicitly says that the game can end without the second team ever having a possession (overriding the first line you mentioned) and explicity says that the result is a tie if the scores are level at the end of the period.
If it was a legal document I would say with 100% certainty that it would be interpreted as saying the first team scoring as time expires results in that team winning, it's only because the rules aren't necessarily comprehensive and there's flexibility in interpretation that I can accept that this edge case might end up being handled differently.
Edit: I just looked over the rules again and realised I hadn't fully comprehended this part. I think this is actually what justifies the tie in this case rather than the first line:
After each team has had an opportunity to possess the ball, if one team has more points than its opponent, it is the winner.
I now think that while it's still dubious and by no means clear from the way the rule is written there is actually a justifiable interpretation for it based on the rules as written.
I'm only watching this first game in hopes of maximum LOLs. Don't let me down Tua & Fields.
These miami uniforms suck
Nice no call
