GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread
I mean accepting you were wrong is fine, changing your prediction because something matieral happened (injuries etc) is fine, but changing it because the media said something htat led you to think the other way?
That's just "ugh I think I was wrong" but framed in a Trump "fake news caused this" way.
The conclusion that I arrived at based on the media's overreaction was CORRECT...
Specifically, Wemby isn't as good as the media wants him to be...... AND IT'S ONLY BECAUSE OF SCORING.... he isn't a good enough scorer to carry this team past OKC, but otherwise he's the best at everything else (like defense).. It's only his scoring ability that needs improvement.
This is all true, and yes, the media's overreaction and flooding to MY SIDE let me know I was wrong
The conclusion that I arrived at based on the media's overreaction was CORRECT...Specifically, Wemby isn't as good as the media wants him to be...... AND IT'S ONLY BECAUSE OF SCORING.... he isn't a good enough scorer to carry this team past OKC, but otherwise he's the best at everything else (like defense).. It's only his scoring ability that needs improvement.This is all true,
Ok so you are admitting you were wrong then?
Btw, this new push for Wemby as the goat shows that it's all about finding someone to dethrone Jordan... aka no one really cared about Lebron - he was just used to dethrone MJ, but since he fell short, it's on to Wemby now...
Accordingly, the media will b*tch and complain that the refs are being too hard on the poor 7'8" Wemby, just because they want someone to dethrone the "a**h*le" MJ...
See, MJ doesn't give 2 bird shits about the media, so the media is out to get him and find the next GOAT... They've failed for 30 years and they don't realize that you can't dethrone the perfect basketball player.. The court size is FINITE and the rim height is also FINITE, so there's an optional physique, skillset and brand of ball that will win - it was Jordan - so we've already seen perfection in the game, and everything else will fall short, just like the last 30 years
Another common misconception is usage - the formula measures primarily shot attempts, which is only loosely correlated with ball-dominance (hold-time).. Accordingly, any player with 30 FGA will lead in usage, even if they're an off-ball guy like Klay, Reggie Miller or MJ for example.
you do realize that defense is half the game, and he impacts on that end like no other.
MJ never impacted defense like this (Bulls were 6th and 2nd defensively in the two years he was out).
In 96-98 (the only two years of his career where on/off are available, Bulls were actually better defensively when he was off the court than on it.
MJ never impacted defense like this (Bulls were 6th and 2nd defensively in the two years he was out).In 96-98 (the only two years of his career where on/off are available, Bulls were actually better defensively when he was off the court than on it.
On-Off Per 100 Possessions
1997 Regular Season
Bulls ORTG with Jordan....... 114.2 <---- offense is 7.4 pts better with MJ
Bulls ORTG w/out Jordan.... 106.8
Bulls DRTG with Jordan....... 100.9 <---- defense is 0.5 pts better with MJ
Bulls DRTG w/out Jordan.... 101.4
1997 Playoffs
Bulls ORTG with Jordan....... 108.3 <----- offense is 11.7 pts better with MJ
Bulls ORTG w/out Jordan....... 96.6
Bulls DRTG with Jordan......... 99.5 <---- defense is 11.8 pts better with MJ
Bulls DRTG w/out Jordan.... 111.3
TLDR: old MJ's defense impact in the playoffs was equal or better than current Wemby (opposing offenses basically couldn't score), while his offfensive impact was goat... And Fidstar lied about the stats
^^^ All-NBA is a MEDIA AWARD, so it's voted on by Skip Bayless and Rachel Nichols, whereas the all-star game is voted on by coaches (shown below):
Pippen also didn't deserve All-NBA in 93', or 96-98', and career 2nd options like him never get it without the winning spotlight of titles anyway.. They need winning spotlight to be seen as good.
Ultimately, Jordan won with a career 2nd option at sidekick, while Lebron needed 1st options to play 2nd option and 3rd option for him.. Infact, the phrase "he's a pippen" was invented to describe a secondary producer that couldn't "take over", so guys like Wade, Luka, and AD were never considered "pippens", while Love, Bosh, and Kyrie were considered franchise players and would've otherwise been career 1st options as well
you are out of your ****ing mind if you think a wing defender has anywhere near the defensive impact that Wemby has
Dennis Rodman was a more efficient scorer than Jordan and Steph curry. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Rodman wasn't a better offensive player than them. All due respect but we know that efficiency is a misleading stat.
you are out of your ****ing mind if you think a wing defender has anywhere near the defensive impact that Wemby has
I'm just using Fidstar's numbers to show that old Jordan did the same thing in the 97' Playoffs - look at the numbers - opponents couldn't even crack a 100 ORTG with Jordan on the floor - they basically couldn't score when he was out there.
Their 2nd ranking in 95' included Jordan for a material portion, and their 6th ranking in 94' was the same as their 1st three-peat (7th, 4th, and 7th).. Since the defensive ranking remained the same in 94' compared to 91-93', the catastrophic drop from goat dynasty to 2nd Round loser was due exclusively to the drop in OFFENSE, aka jordan, aka the goat.
It's easy to forget that players have FINITE amounts of energy to expend, so expenditures on one end impact the other end... And that's the value of having the goat 2-way player in Jordan because he allowed a TWO-WAY TEAM - the team could explode offensively without any drop-off defensively,, as we saw when we compare 94' to the 1st three-peat... The defense was the same during the 1st three-peat despite the explosion offensively.
Sue Bird better start telling the world how great Caitlin Clarke is because if Caitlin isn't great than what wetre you when Caitin breaks all your records with unreal ease. Dan patrick asked Sure Bird Caitlin didn;t make the last olympic team but she would definetaly make the 2028 team right? Sue Bird's answer was TBD. To be anounced. Really?
Bueckers already shows that her team ceilings will be higher, and it's because she plays... you guessed it - OFF-BALL
Bueckers already shows that her team ceilings will be higher, and it's because she plays... you guessed it - OFF-BALL
You think Paige is better than Caitlin? That paige is better for her team than Caitlin is for her team? Seriously? I usually agree with you but if you're telling me Paige over Caitlin you are wrong. Respectfully, but there is zero chance that's true.
I'm for Jordan for goat but Caitlin does more for her team than Jordan ever did for his team. All she does is set up her teammates for success. Jordan won because he was unstoppable. But Caitlin is more a team player than Jordan for sure. If she wasn't she'd put up 40 a game minimum. She's gonna go down as all time assist leader even though she could go down as all time scoring leader if she so chose.
Paige will make the all star team for the rest of career but never come close to Caitlin's career/ability.
I mean Paige's team ceilings are higher because she's a system player? The reason Jordan is the goat is because he was above the system/abc players. If the goat went to system players the goat would be John Stockton or Steve Nash type players.
Anyway. MJ was an average on-ball defender. A slightly better off-ball defender, and gambled a lot (hence the steals total).
Bulls were better when he was off the floor defensively over two years.
IIFC the guy that came in off the bench when he was off was defensive power-houses Steve Kerr, Toni Kokuc and the like.
