Super Annoying Spot 1-2 vs Shiatbird Slowroller
1/2 $300 max.
Hero: HJ $400 MAWG more aggro / tight than most but not by any means a maniac image. Just compared to the typical 1/2 population.
V: BTN $220 MASG. Total douche. Name rhymes with Lestor. I've played with him before, he never says a word I mean never a single word ever and wears sunglasses. Is on the nittier side but not a complete OMC nit. He egregiously slowrolls every time he wins a pot and has had extreme luck against me in the past.
OTT: 1 limp, Hero QTss opens to $12. V calls, SB calls, limper calls.
Flop: $40 after rake. Ks Qh 2s. We flop middle pair and 2nd NFD. limps to Hero who bets small $15 to build pot want to keep in worse hands/draws and won't fold out any Kx so no need for protection. V calls rest fold.
Turn: $70. Ks Qh 2s Td. We make middle 2-pair + monster draw. I want to now target Kx. Hero bets $60. V raises to $180 with about $30 behind.
Vomit. I'm trying to do math first figure we have about 25-33% equity against most holdings, only AJss really has us less. V could play KK this way but he could play AA/AK this way as well and they kind of cancel each other out.
It's $150 to shove for a $500 pot. If V shows a better hand it's close but a clear fold. If he has any spazz (which this guy does not) or value betting a worse hand like AA/AK it's a fist bump shove. I don't want to get slow rolled by this prick again but also really want to hit a full house and slow roll him.
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Ugh. Sick turn action. I don't think I'd bet, especially that big, if I wasn't prepared to gii, so gii. I hope you get to slow-roll him.
(What's the S stand for?)
Spanish. Like from spain or south america but not mexican if you know what I mean.
You sound like an asshole. I didn't pass any value judgement just differentiating and if I knew the terms you mentioned I would have used those.
You seem pretty defensive. Of course, most racists are when they're confronted on their ignorance.
Also, why the need to specify that he didn't look like a Mexican?
He doesn't sound defensive (no more than he should be) or like a racist. You are sounding more and more like an asshole, though. This is completely unnecessary. He gave a description, I asked for an explanation. That should have been the end of it. Just stop, AF.
MASW is fine, donkatrunk. You do not sound racist, and AF does sound like a bit of ass here -- completely uncalled for. I'm as liberal as anyone in these forums and it doesn't bother me -- it's helpful to get an image of a player. I don't care what anyone says -- there are stereotypes for a reason. Heck, I'm a MAWW and I use that stereotype when I play.
I don't care what anyone says -- there are stereotypes for a reason.
I'm as liberal as anyone in these forums
LOL, if you say so, Mags.
So, when you sit at a table with an older woman, you don't expect her to play a certain way? What about a young Asian guy? (If you say "No, " we know you are FOS or you have very little experience outside of one room, so don't bother answering. Those of us who have played tons of live poker in multiple states/countries know the truth. It's why descriptions of players help us give answers.)
So, when you sit at a table with an older woman, you don't expect her to play a certain way? What about a young Asian guy? (If you say "No, " we know you are FOS or you have very little experience outside of one room, so don't bother answering. Those of us who have played tons of live poker in multiple states/countries know the truth. It's why descriptions of players help us gi
Tell me what meaningful difference in poker play there is between a Spaniard and a Mexican?
P.S. Relying on tired stereotypes is a lazy shortcut for people who can't be bothered to actually pay attention to their opponents. For example, some young Asians are crazy gamblers, some are TAGgy, and some are passive. It's not difficult to tell them apart when you allow yourself to see them as just "people."
PRE - I dunno. My hunch is we're probably not supposed to open QTs from the HJ, but I probably would.
Does V have many 3B's? I'm just wondering if AJ is a big part of his range when he flats. Does he ever show up with J9? Does he flat or 3B with AK? Does he ever get to the turn with KJ or QJ?
FLOP - I don't hate the c-bet. Not sure about the size. I guess it seems right to c-bet small according to theory, but with a decent middle pair and the flush draw, and the betting lead, I could see going larger maybe.
I could also see just checking, because it is multi-way, and it would suck to bloat the pot, not improve, and have to give up on a later street.
So...I dunno. I might very likely check flop and see what happens. I might pot it. Don't really love the small c-bet, even though it may be correct in theory.
TURN - Seems pretty unlikely V has KQ when he just flats flop. But I'd be worried about AJ, J9, or maybe KT after we c-bet small and he calls next to act. I don't like barreling for such a large size, and would either check or bet no more than 1/2 pot.
Our hand blocks some of the bluff combos he could have, like QJ or JT. But we unblock KJ, which seems like a hand he could have in this line.
I dunno. I probably flick in the call, because neither of us is supposed to show up with AJ or J9, and I don't think V has enough KT in his range. This really seems like KJ to me.
Appreciate comments on the hand instead of straining really hard to virtue signal over nothing.
To answer your question, V would probably not 3-bet AJ or AK even and is the type to possibly slow play AA/KK. But he also can have KJ here. I'm not sure he's continuing with J9 on the flop to even a small size but maybe AJ.
The possibility he has AK/AA here plus unless he has the single gross combo of AJss we are fairly live.
Why do you not like the large turn bet? Don't have this happen and get blown off our big equity? I can see that and maybe is correct and if the turn bricked I would have done this. I just felt middle two pair has so much value against KJ/K9/AK/AQ where he would probably call of those.
I think I disagree on the flop bet going large. If he has a K I don't think I ever have fold equity on any street unless the flush comes in. I just want to build the pot and keep worse hands in.
RESULTS--
I tanked for a bit and randomized thinking it's just too close. If he has AK/AA at any frequency it's a call. And marginally bad if he has us beat with anything other than KK/AJss.
I wound up shoving for like $30 more than his bet. River bricked. I showed my hand and of course he took about 15 seconds to show KTo. When he didn't muck instantly I knew I was beat. If you ever play at Tampa HR against a guy who's name ryhmes with Lestor and in deference to the perpetually offended he looks more like Seve Ballesteros and not like Fernando Valenzuela then feel free to slow roll him.
