3 Handed 400bb Deep Spot PLO Hi

Sorry Idk how to embed the suits in the post.

What am I missing don’t you have an overfull?

I don't play this big online, so take it with grain of salt.
Not sure about the open preflop. I guess it's ok?

Flop a full pot cbet seems crazy??? 1/4-1/2 seems more "standard"? Say you have AA, you don't even pot in this spot. Because you rarely have a deuce or 44. Opponents has all the deuces and 44. Most people just fold to a small cbet.

Facing a x/r, this is a snap fold??? He's repping 2x/44 and semi bluffs and pure bluffs. When you pot it, you already mean business, most people are less likely to x/r bluff vs a full pot unless you do it all the time.

Turn, I know we hit the jin card, but I think there are some merits of sticking it in. We rep nothing when we do stick it in. Villain has all the 2x and 44 that'll call imho.

River, I think this is just a call, call it a cooler if villain shows up with 22/44.

Based on OP’s stated description of V and reasoning for potting flop it’s a snapfold to the xr, especially online. Would V slowplay AA preflop 3handed?

Not potting turn is interesting but (probably) defensible. Hero’s hand is well-disguised.

Nut hands on river:

6s3s
As3s
44
22
55(H)
45
42
25
AsXs

Which one is an online TAG GAI with? It seems to me that as played Hero beats one and only one hand specifically: As6s2c4c

Every single street was played poorly but calling the $72 raise on the flop is especially atrocious. I am so confused as to how you even got to this river decision. It would depend on how V views you as a player. You shouldn't have a lot of 44 and 55 holdings raising from the BB and V's line seems overly aggressive if he does have 44 or 22, so I am forced to make this call hoping he overplayed 42 or 52.

2c3c4h5h for V?

Yeah, as played, it’s a whimper-call on the river.

Pre and flop horrible as already explained, after that not much you can do but call down as you've already created a massive pot and hit your gin.

There are many online sites that are cheap or even free where you can start the learning process.

Is this a Nik Airball hand or something?

As already explained, this is a terrible play pre and post flop

As played tho we can’t and shouldn’t fold.

just let OP keep jerking himself off

I genuinely thought it was a more interesting hand than you all did.

Oftentimes I find the "fold pre" to be a dismissive fired when the poster is unable to give a more detailed analysis of the current spot in the hand.

The flop bet, I can accept, is not great in a vacuum. However when Villains are overfolding (some are snap folding AA, almost none raise ANY hand but a 2 here), and most snap fold the turn to a barrel, why shouldn't we bet?

As played, calling the raise with a gutter plus 2 outs has to be marginal, not terrible. This isn't a 100bb stack hand, the stack play implications increase as does the opportunity to bluff in position on later streets.

I'll jerk myself off a little bit though now; you guys would have to be very good to withstand the pressure fucktards like me play with in deeper pots. Often times we are talking about $2000-3000 stacks in this game. From all the posts here, you'll all be overfolding. You don't just make the nuts in PLO and print, so how do you adjust?

MGC

Here you go.

5th nuts. We are the clubs winningest players (we both suck obv but the club is rich businessmen and asian degens so I guess I'm just the best game selector?)

I was shocked to see his hand and feel it's the dirt bottom of his value range.

I assume he knew I'd pot the river if checked to so tried to fold me out (he should check/call every time in this situation??? I think???)

Once he bet river I expected 42, 44, A4 and very very seldomly 22.

I didn't expect to see a straight flush but A3 was on my radar.

Well played my friend

You think this game is just firing pot IP and that prints you money?

You are misapplying concepts.

When you inherently put too much money into pots with hands that shouldn’t, you actually make it easier for opponents to play against you, especially deep. You allow villains to overfold as they don’t have to defend with majority of their range.

When we are deep IP, we want to leverage both position and stack depth and we do so with smaller sizings over multiple streets, forcing villains to have to defend majority of their range at each node. When you do whatever the fuck this was, you just allow villain to play perfectly and then fast play nuts.

This hand is nonsense and you spiked a 2 outer. You aren’t a genius.

In theory this is a terrible lead. You may think this is a good board for the BB but it’s actually not. Not only do you rarely ever have a 2 or set of 4s, but you are severely lacking in the OP department which is a lot of villains range. You have no advantage at all. Your nutted portion of hands is mostly wraps and they don’t wanna play for stacks. Had this been a board like 467 this play would have been much more sound. Hell, even a check raise would have been more sound as you have blockers to the board with the 655 and you can put a lot of villains overpair and higher card heavy range to the test and force them to have to defend their range or risk overfolding. They can’t just only call a 2 here and have to call some rivers with OPs like AA54 and what not.

This is street poker whatever you did. We can’t analyze street poker. We have no idea why you’re doing what you’re doing.

You are just looking for confirmation bias.

Badly played hand, good result.

No different than the random whale at live PLO recording a winning session. I’ll tell you the same thing I tell them.

Nice hand well played sir.

Well, at least he didn't fold river. Which is what he was asking.

I appreciate this reply. You nail it that I play street poker, while you mean it as a slight I find it to be my strength. You're asserting that my lead/style of play makes me easier to play against, but then say I allow V to overfold as if that's not a great result? Can you clarify why I want people underfolding in PLO? I'm genuinely pleased to build pots and win before showdown, typically.

I do find that most PLO players seek to make the nuts and try to get paid, as such their lines are limited in creativity and they often are depending on rivers for their results.

I also feel like the replies here aren't accounting for depth of stacks 3 handed.

Anyway I do think you make some points (unlike most of the replies) so thanks for taking the time.

What I mean is villains typically overfold their range in relation to bet sizes. They continue way too tight. When you bet certain sizes, the size dictates how much of your opponents range must continue. If they don’t properly defend, it doesn’t matter what you have, every bet is instantly profitable for the bettor. MDF is what most people know it as. If most opponents are already overfolding, when you bet pot, you make it less of a mistake or not a mistake at all depending on their range composition. This reduces your positional advantage, especially when deep.

If you bet pot and they fold half their range, that’s correct.

If you b50 and they fold half their range, you can b50 with 2 napkins and profit.

If you b33 and they fold half their range, lol you literally can’t lose.

This is why playing in position is so profitable, especially when deep.

If a bad player isn’t properly adjusting and doesn’t understand they have to defend half their range or more on every single street, over multiple streets, you can auto profit with certain bet sizes and simply not lose.

Smaller stack sizes make this less of an exploit, since they can just check raise and get their entire stack in and not have tough decisions. Deeper stacks can’t just check raise their entire stack in and therefore, have to account for their range over all the streets.

So SB will fold better to your pot cbet and he now raises flop and you decide to call? You really shouldn't even be seeing the turn. If villain is at all capable you shouldn't really be folding river as you're not supposed to get to the river with many hands that can ever call pot. Not really pumped about it based on the minimal reads you posted in OP which is all I've read from this thread

myea bat street pokker bruh

Don't really understand the pot lead - btn will call with worse? What's worse on 224r then a pair of a 5s with a gutshot? Really your pot bet seems like you're trying to protect KK/AA - you also say SB is a solid TAG - how can you call the 72 x/r? Villain near pots the turn - of course you make the FH - river prob a call for his 42 hands. Really the more important parts of this hand is your flop sizing and calling the x/r - don't like either but hey you turned a FH.

Ok I see what you're saying. This then becomes what will they fold vs what will they call with on this flop when I lead. IME, 33% pot bets are floated a large % of the time, so I limit my bets in this size to very strong/very weak. Since I typically barrel turns in these spots, that's my sizing.

My +50% pot bets are more value driven, but also hands like I have here which are not value but interactive/blocker reducing the frequency the opponent has interactive hands with the board. I find these bets fold out overpairs far more often than they should (given my style of play) and this is where I think I'm printing money. It's very easy to sit there and say you'd snap me off with QQ but very different when you're being barrelled into.

I don't think players defend properly IRL, so as you've said above it's auto profit. Where this hand goes sideways is the check/raise, and for sure I can fold this hand, but I'm in the streets so fuck all that.

I wasn't pumped about calling either...