1k mix game AJ86ss
probably last hand of night, even at 1k. a few big pots but mostly quiet night.
straddle is on, hero limps from EP with AdJs8c6d, 4 limps behind, BB makes it 100. straddle calls, hero calls, 2 of the limpers call.
flop 885r - pot 500
bb x, strd x, hero 150, fold, jam for 950, bb fold strd fold hero??
preflop - im not worried about backraise as the limpers would pot with AAxx or KKxxds.
flop - my thoughts - i dont want it to check through 5 ways, potting seems excessive, villain is older white guy, gives action. could have 55,85 no redraw,or naked 8.
i dont think i can ever fold here but i guess thoughts on flop lead?
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Pre is easy fold, this hand is trash.
In a bloated pot, with 2spr, we never going anywhere.
I don't like limping this hand in EP with the straddle on, so this should be a fold PF. However, if you are playing this hand because it is the last hand of the night, it is what it is. However, that type of reasoning can get you in trouble, as shown here.
I don't like the lead on the flop as I would start with a check, looking to CR. The problem you have now is that your lead screams naked 8, so the jam heavily weights towards 85, 55, or A5 with 2 other overs at the very least. BB raised PF and there are 4 callers, so most likely no aces left and probably a J or two gone as well. You are most likely committing your stack to a 3-4 outer or a chop at the very very least. You have to fold here and learn not to make mistakes preflop just because it 'is the last hand of the night'.
yeah thats what i thought lol its a very friendly game and i like to give action when i can so i get the action in return. there are a couple nits in this game and they are losing because no one ever pays them off and they are too nitty to use that image to bluff.
the way i give action is on the smallest street which is preflop, postflop my image is very clean. i get my fair share of blocker bluffs through and occasionally get the light lookup aswell. ( think like set on wrap brick but fd hit QsJ4s67s not like 2pr on straight boardQsJ4s6x[A, K, T, 9]y, the game isnt that good lol)
i ask if he flopped the boat and his face said no so i stuck it in. he had KK87 and said "man i thought you had AAxx and you were trying to steal it andive been drawn out on twice today so i just wanted the dead money". He was referring to someone hitting quads against him in a previous game before the mix started and another hand where he flopped a set and someone turned a bigger set but the river was big scare card for both so it went x-x. BB says king cant come which of course meant the 7 hit right on turn river and 9 river.
i got it in really good ( 5 outs if we dont include what bb says) which i sometimes like to post these types of hands aswell.
What is our bottom hand then with same suit structure?
AJ97? this hand is an open though, this is where i get confused because i have an open limping range EP in live games and i dont have enough ram to run a monker sim so i try to limp some weaker smooth-ish flopping hands and the one way type hands that cant raise like KK97ss.
Hard to give an assessment then without that extra info on V. How can he put you on AA when you didn't raise PF, or 3! to isolate the BB when he raised PF? That makes no sense at all, lol. Again hard to give advice initially without knowing how bad V was. With that info, yes you call it off. Against a normal reg, I still lean fold.
putting me on Aces is one of those "how?!" type moments but i will gladly take the good image? if he thinks im willing to flat pre and go multiway with AAxx and lead this 885r flop i guess my image is as good as it can be?? lol
Against a strong player this is absolutely a fold.
I think such trashy hands minimum needs to be double suited.
Also limping and calling 100$ is two different type of hands imho. I'd assume limping is around 10-20$. But, calling 100$ is actually 10% of your stack. Imho, I'd need a very decent preflop hand to play like rundowns, broadways. And occasionally even if we limp AAxx trash we can get in most of our stack preflop.
But hey if they're giving you action with worse all the time. I guess it's ok to donate once in a while?
yes but lets assume the 4 limpers are always calling the 100. they will never repot preflop, does that change your thoughts?
i run into these spots where people behind cap themselves and its like wtf do i do. i KNOW that when that hundo goes out ( which i know BB, he has AAxx with atleast one suit or a pure rundown 9+)
now HU this hand is always a fold, for instance i open this in CO and he 3b from BB or straddle i just fold pre and move on no issue. but i know the 4 limpers behind have capped themselves from re-potting and will only ever call the 100 or fold. i also know that when straddle calls and then i call, they will be more likely to call with their weaker holdings. " ahh if he had called i would of called too but i cant play HU with this hand" is not common but atleast 3 or 4 times a session speech i hear.
The reason im asking in depth is not to justify this hand but to try and come up with some sort of reasonable range that i cannot get from a solver. there is no tree for this lol im playing off intuition here trying to navigate these parts of the game.
we call the 100 and now there is 340 in the pot with 4 people who will either call/fold 100% of the time. we are 900 eff, so the max spr will be 3. before we know if the limpers call or fold. whats our range?
I dont even hate the limp if the game is soft. Not sure I understand the talk about folding post. You are not folding with spr2.
im secretly a "monster under the bed" guy unfortunately. i always resort to "whats the nuts and i dont have it so he must". im learning to cope with it lol
After reveal yes, but when I lead and get re-pot I am up against a naked 8, 85 or 55
After reveal yes, but when I lead and get re-pot I am up against a naked 8, 85 or 55
We have A8 and 3 overs we don’t care about anything except how to get them to put money in.
Fold? Cmon now.
Fold? Cmon now.
