4 live mtt tourny hands ($400)line check
Ok we playing the $400 wsop circuit mini main at turning stone. Structure is kinda quick with pretty bad play- tourny had 3k runners I think so many punters (I might be one of them 🤣)
H1- we got 28k after starting with 30k. 200-300 level. Ok button opens to 800- he’s a mawg that I’ve see win a circuit tourny- on prolly snug side but tag. I’m bb and have k9hh. I made it 3k and he calls. Flop Q92 with maybe one heart. I cbet my standard 2k in 6500. He pops it to 5k. Do you ever call this and re-evaluate turn? I folded bc I felt he’s snug and rarily doing this with a draw. I feel he’s got Qx so damn often here. Do I ever continue with back door hearts and mid pair? I feel he’s going to play super straightforward and rarily has J-10 and raising or similar holdings. Think fold is perfectly fine but wonder if I’m supposed to call and just fold turn with continue betting if we don’t improve?
Preflop- maybe I’m supposed to call and not 3!. I see preflop + has this had as a call and not 3! / fold. I kinda like 3! Bc we fold out his light opens (even some better like raggy Ax and some goofy K or Qx suited type stuff). Build a pot with a nice suited hand that can be fairly easy to play post with. I’m going to cbet 1/4 to 1/2 pot often here when I 3! Pre also: feel opponents at this type of tourny are going to play fit/fold and extremely straightforward post flop so I don’t mind the 3!. It’s def high variance though and might not be ideal.
H2- I have 47k on my2nd bullet at 1.5k level. I open AKo (black)to 3k from mp. 3 guys call (2 in the blinds, and button), at a table that is very passive but splashy with calling stupid light pre. Flop is A47 with two diamonds. Xx, I bet 6k into 13.5k and all 3 call. Turn is a 5 of diamonds. Xx, I elect to x, and button makes it 13k. Sb calls, bb fold, and I fold. I never see these guys getting out of line here with worse- hand played out as button had 10-6dd (not sure how this is ever a call pre) and sb had KJdd. I was very happy with my fold but just felt it was so annoying to run into a flush when they blocked each other w/
Diamonds. Felt I would have bet chunky on turn if non diamond.
H3- maybe have 30k at 1k level. Ok LJ makes it 2.5k, I have 22 on the button. another guy that is going to be tight rfi here. Older guy. I decide to fold bc I feel my call sets up an easy squeeze, plus I can see the blinds calling also or 3! To make it an odd hand. I don’t see them both folding often to an open as my table was very passive calling too wide at times. I decide to fold as I don’t have odds to set mine at 15-1. Well both blinds fold. Do we ever call this in position. I feel it may be a mistake to fold in position but also 22 is hard to play post- aka we gotta stab often if it checks to us to realize our equity l. I felt fairly short. Feel if I bet and call, I gotta shut down and it kills my stack if I bet flop and need to fold when I don’t hit a set. Def an odd spot- also felt my flat on button is super weak and an easy 3! Squeeze for sb or bb bc my hand should be trashy and often a fold to a 3! If I do call the button.
This 22 hand- I just wonder am I supposed to call and hope I hit a set and take the risk on to my stack? I feel in theory- I’m supposed to flat in position but just think of the times I don’t flop a set or get a X from villian on flop- where I’m just lighting chips on fire. Just feel like going from 30 bb to 20-24 is a big loss at this stage however just wonder if I’m supposed to go for it here and try to stack someone if I do hit a set. It’s very up in the air to me- like I wanna call and set mine but not getting 15-1 makes me question it. Feel like a goof also if the blinds someone find a squeeze bc I feel my button flat looks like ez dead money for a squeeze attempt.
H4- prolly most annoying spot for me. I have 20k at 500bb level and make it 1k from mp with AKss, Kinda loose but passive mawg calls from bb. We see flop of Q74 with one spade. He donk leads 1500 into 2800. I call. Turn is 9 of spades. He bets 3k int 5800 and I call. River is a red A. He bets 1500 into 11.8k and I make it 5k. Felt this was a weak Qx type hand using a block bet. Don’t think this guy is thinking much and even knows what a block bet is. I made it 5k and he calls with Q7o for 2pair. Is this raise on River bad? Maybe I’m supposed to just call bc what are we called by that is worse? I felt like I needed to go for thing value and felt his River bet was very blockerish so I think he might hero Qx but idk? In reality I hate his 1.5k lead into 11.8k. Felt he can go 6-10k and prolly still gets a call. Do I just call river or is going for thin value fine-just bad luck to run into 2 pair???
4 Replies
Hand 1 - do you understand why we prefer not to 3-bet this hand in this situation?
Hand 2 seems fine. Any potential deviations would be exploitative and you know the players better than we do.
Hand 3, easy fold.
Hand 4, raising is probably OK over that block sizing. I guess you got one of them strange live players who's always seeing monsters under the bed, although I guess it makes sense he might expect you to have aces up here.
H1- yea I understand why we flat and don’t 3!. I like 3! Bc we take the lead against possibly a weaker hand and I like the hand as a 3!/Fold- feel we need some lighter hands in our 3! Range to combat our top range 3!s. Honestly probably need to flat and try to win a big pot or at least open myself to seeing more turn and river by keeping pot smaller by flatting the open- we also keep in hands like k8suited or Qx suited type stuff we kinda own so I get why flat is better than 3!. Also think 3! Is bad bc we let villian folks stuff we dominate while he continues with stuff that owns us/ has a lot of equity maybe like QJish type stuff.
H2- felt odd to fold turn with such a strong hand but being multiway- think it’s an ez sigh fold. Find it kinda awkward if we get a non diamond turn. A lot of low cards can help straight draw potential for callers and we could run into 2pair that plays very slow- unlikely as action played out bc I assume we see a raise on flop.
H3-I asked ChatGPT and it said lean fold also. I feel it can be kinda tight to fold bc we need to chip up to win tourny. Feel we can flat and maybe bet some flops when x to if it goes heads-up. Feel it’s very difficult to win if we see flop against sb or bb also tho so I leaned fold. Think it’s a fold but maybe 55 or 66 is a flat.
H4- didn’t expect to see 2 pair due to sizing. Just wondered if I value Owned myself and made a mistake raising rivers. Basically thought same thing you said that villian was seeing ghosts.
H1- yea I understand why we flat and don’t 3!. I like 3! Bc we take the lead against possibly a weaker hand
You fold out weaker hands and get called by better ones. That's the problem.
and I like the hand as a 3!/Fold- feel we need some lighter hands in our 3! Range to combat our top range 3!s.
Your light 3-bets should be lighter. This is too strong. 3-bet / folding this is bad. You want your 3-bets to fold out better hands and also they're hands you don't really want to play post but that have blocker value and maybe some flop potential. The K2s / K4o type hands instead.
H1: I would only 3-bet preflop in the SB against a GTO/Solver or very aggro wide range guy. I do like your sizing though because a baddish hand will fold. On the flop I would basically always call his 2.5x raise. If it was 3x or more I would likely fold. I call though only because we have a pair and a BDFD. If he has KQ we could get screwed but it is more likely he has a pair with Qx or JT (if it is QQ we are in a bit of trouble..)
H2: My flop bet isn't 6, 000 here because the flop favors us but I want to wait to see what the turn is before betting big. Especially because there are flush and straight draws out there. I would bet 3, 000 probably but sometimes up to 4, 000. Excellent check/fold on the turn.
H3: I will mostly call here with 22 because we can go set mining. Effective stack needs to be 20k+ (8x because we have a 12% chance of hitting our set on the flop) for it to be worth the call. I don't call when SB and/or BB are squeezing a lot. But if it hasn't happened yet (or if it happened and I saw a very big hand like AQ+/TT+) then I will always call. Especially with 30 to 50 bb's. I don't know what the "rfi" thing means. If it means another player called then it makes the set mining even better. Post flop when I have gone set mining I rarely bet on the flop with 22 if it has folded to me unless the board is paired and there is no blind in the hand (or of course if I hit set). A SB call is often a PP and a BB call can be a wide range that has hit a small or biggish card on the flop.
H4: I like the flop call because we have BDFD and two overcards. Turn call is good obviously. River I just call in these spots because a small flop donk can be any small pair. Turn sizing of over 50% like flop over 50% means he has a good hand and wants to get paid off. So I think small pairs here are not often but I still can't fold on the river because of the small sizing just in case. On river I never raise because the blocking bet (and it is always a blocking bet because of the sizing) indicates he will likely fold to any raise with single pair or call/jam with a hand better than Qx. Why he block bet on the river is that the A can give you two pair or better (AQ/A7s/A4s/AA/A9s). So it is indicative that he has 2 pair. I call because it is a small sizing and in theory could be KQ/QJ/QT that just doesn't want to lose a lot on the river and will fold to a raise. But in my experience donk bets are either a mid or low pair, a draw, or a monster. A few times they had a straight. A few times a flush. A few times a pair and a flush draw. Mostly though mid or bottom pair. Or a semi bluff or an outright bluff. But the baddish hands almost always check the turn if you call the flop bet, so that they can see a river cheaply. Draws often will bet small on the turn (blocking bets of 10% to 20% pot) again so they can see the river cheaply. Not a lot of draws here though (65 and some gutters but really not sure why they would lead out with a Q on board which smacks your range).
