I believe men to be the oppressed in American society.

I believe men to be the oppressed in American society.

I am wondering if violence against women in the western world is a result of opression and frustration from men who are not treated with respect but are made to work much harder and more difficult jobs than anyone else.

I have been considering the number of men incarcerated(and for how long), I think of the number of men killed in wars and I think about the number of men who are homeless(compared to women) and lastly I think about male suicide rates (due to lack of perceived value by society)

I am not saying the violence against women is acceptable or should be tolerated.

I am saying let’s look at how society treats men and women and let’s see if it’s fair.

Feminism is equality for the sexes. Let’s talk about the inequalities men face

Not sure how to quantify the abuses women face from men and vice versa

11 November 2023 at 02:23 PM
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"The Testosterone Myth

We should not just be asking ourselves why men are more violent, but why women are less violent. For one, it’s probably not because of testosterone."

LOL.


Violence is a social construct.


by d2_e4 k

Violence is a social construct.

On this topic, I watch a lot of nature stuff and it is actually pretty eye opening how in animals that one wouldn't think would be particularly equipped or predisposed towards violence, how insanely violent males are with each other when fighting over mates or territory/resources.

I recently watched a penguin fight over a female that was pretty wild just how violent it was, given it is hard to imagine penguins being violent the way they are shaped and move. This is an oldie, but I remember watching another fight between male deer where one deer somehow decapitated the other and had the dead deer head stuck in his own antlers afterward.


by Dunyain k

On this topic, I watch a lot of nature stuff and it is actually pretty eye opening how in animals that one wouldn't think would be particularly equipped or predisposed towards violence, how insanely violent males are with each other when fighting over mates or territory/resources.

I recently watched a penguin fight over a female that was pretty wild just how violent it was, given it is hard to imagine penguins being violent the way they are shaped and move. This is an oldie, but I remember watch

Wild, man. Animals, all of them.


by PointlessWords k

I am wondering if violence against women in the western world is a result of opression and frustration from men...

Let’s focus on frustration first. Frustration arises in response to a rejection / hostility toward your desires. The level of frustration you will feel is associated with the amount of entitlement you identify with. The amount of entitlement you identify with is associated with how you view the self.

Is the self just another being of this world? If so, why should you feel any sense of entitlement to what you want? Does the self have a soul with entitlements and promises written on it? If so, you will feel high amounts of both entitlement and frustration. You can observe your emotions and determine how you view your self.

A high sense of entitlement and repeated frustrations will result in a desire for justice and a view of the world as unjust. To pursue justice is highly meaningful, but this meaning will only sustain if you make real progress, and in order to make real progress in the pursuit of justice, you will have to go way beyond your comfort zone. There is a reason why only superheroes can actually bring about justice in the movies.

The socialized self will never make real progress in the pursuit of justice. The core agreement of socialization is the giving up of the desire for justice in exchange for security and comfort in the short to mid term. The self which is capable of attaining justice has been psychologically oppressed for as long as you have been operating from the socialized self.

In conclusion, feelings of frustration, oppression, and injustice are deeply real. But understand the game you are participating in, and if you are going to play, either play to win or don’t bother at all.


Craig, what does the big man upstairs have to say about all this?


by d2_e4 k

Craig, what does the big man upstairs have to say about all this?

The tyrant always argues against the least charitable framing of the opposition’s views.


by craig1120 k

The tyrant always argues against the least charitable framing of the opposition’s views.

Wat


by d2_e4 k

Wat

You are not a serious person.


by craig1120 k

You are not a serious person.



I wasn’t planning to, but maybe now I will stick around this subforum a bit longer.


by craig1120 k

Let’s focus on frustration first. Frustration arises in response to a rejection / hostility toward your desires. The level of frustration you will feel is associated with the amount of entitlement you identify with. The amount of entitlement you identify with is associated with how you view the self.

Is the self just another being of this world? If so, why should you feel any sense of entitlement to what you want? Does the self have a soul with entitlements and promises written on it? If

Do the male deer feel entitled


by PointlessWords k

Do the male deer feel entitled

I don’t care.


Then why write 5 Paragraphs


by PointlessWords k

Then why write 5 Paragraphs

I’ll clarify - I don’t care to map out the minds of male deer.


by craig1120 k

I’ll clarify - I don’t care to map out the minds of male deer.

You don’t have to. You just have to answer if you think that deer feel entitled


by craig1120 k

I wasn’t planning to, but maybe now I will stick around this subforum a bit longer.

What have we done to deserve this???


by PointlessWords k

You don’t have to. You just have to answer if you think that deer feel entitled

That’s the point. I don’t have thoughts about male deer because I don’t care about them enough to have thoughts.

Is this thread about male deer? What am I missing?


by craig1120 k

That’s the point. I don’t have thoughts about male deer because I don’t care about them enough to have thoughts.

Is this thread about male deer? What am I missing?

You are missing the obvious response to his question - "no ideer".


I think men feel frustrated when they don’t get laid due to physical reasons in addition to mental reasons. I don’t think the minimum physical reasons are dependent on their levels of entitlement


by PointlessWords k

I think men feel frustrated when they donÂ’t get laid due to physical reasons in addition to mental reasons. I donÂ’t think the minimum physical reasons are dependent on their levels of entitlement

I’m not denying the underlying, animalistic drives. The story of the soul is set on top (exaptation) of the more animalistic story. If you want to fulfill deeper desires, then you have to navigate through the deeper story.

Do you not think you have deeper desires than getting laid as much as possible?


by craig1120 k

I’m not denying the underlying, animalistic drives. The story of the soul is set on top (exaptation) of the more animalistic story. If you want to fulfill deeper desires, then you have to navigate through the deeper story.

Do you not think you have deeper desires than getting laid as much as possible?

That’s not at all what your opus said


quality matters


by PointlessWords k

That’s not at all what your opus said

If I’m understanding, I’m discredited in your mind because I spoke to how frustration is associated with entitlement in the deeper story without acknowledging the more animalistic story until a later clarification.

Have I got that right?

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