Transgender persons participation in sports and gaming
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correct, you did not, but you should have like the article does.
There's nothing at all weird for women to want a separate league where they won't be harassed.
There IS something weird. For example it would also be weird if there existed a black only league because people wouldn't stop calling black people the n-word.
I understand the normal part of wanting such separate leagues given certain circumstances. But its a loss of plot to claim a transgender should have access to a league that was created 'because of inequality' because equality suggests such.
Morality, if we mean to derive from reason, instead suggests the men should behave so woman and trans feel comfortable playing with them.
^^^ I mean to point out that its interesting the 'if you complain about cross-competing you are transphobic' brigade seems to miss that.
There IS something weird. For example it would also be weird if there existed a black only league because people wouldn't stop calling black people the n-word.
lol what? If black people are being harassed it makes perfect sense for them to seek spaces where they won't be harassed. You're making zero sense.
lol what? If black people are being harassed it makes perfect sense for them to seek spaces where they won't be harassed. You're making zero sense.
It makes zero sense to focus the moral outrage on whether or not white people that identify as black people should be treated as black people in black only sports when it could be focused on the racism that causes the black only division to exist in the first place.
If we need to put it another way...
its not valid logic to say 'women are uncomfortable playing versus men in chess, therefore lia thomas didn't have an unfair physical advantage against the woman he competed against.'.
You can't say he anymore read the guidelines
It makes zero sense to focus the moral outrage on whether or not white people that identify as black people should be treated as black people in black only sports when it could be focused on the racism that causes the black only division to exist in the first place.
I didn’t say anything like that? Are you okay?
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Deliberately misgendering transgender people who publicly present themselves as one gender in order to make the indirect point that you do not acknowledge the existence of transgender people is also prohibited.
You called her a he when you shoulda called her a she and not a he. Maybe you find calling she a he all tee-hee worthy but I can assure you others do not. So call her a he in future or else you might get banned...by They.
Your argument has become circular. One winner events regardless of age, sex or disability would be less inclusive in my opinion than one that provides multiple prizes for these different exclusive divisions.
Time for me to get off this ride.
Correct, one winner events like women-only chess events are not at all inclusive.
lol what? If black people are being harassed it makes perfect sense for them to seek spaces where they won't be harassed. You're making zero sense.
You don't think it would be preferable to work on reducing racism and race based harassment?
In sports things have changed from having single race teams and leagues to inclusive teams and leagues, which most seem the think is a positive thing.
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Deliberately misgendering transgender people who publicly present themselves as one gender in order to make the indirect point that you do not acknowledge the existence of transgender people is also prohibited.
You called her a he when you shoulda called her a she and not a he. Maybe you find calling she a he all tee-hee worthy but I can assure you others do not. So call her a he in future or else you might get banned...by
I acknowledge trans people exist and I like them in general or ones I know and have met. I didn't do it to deny their existence, I called lia a he to deny him the rights of winning a woman ncaa swimming championship which he cheated to win.
It would be absurd to ban that, it would be like banning dead naming celebrities
We are just making sure you follow the logic properly...
Correct, one winner events are not at all inclusive.
Correct, women-only chess events are not at all inclusive.
Correct, multiple divisions within a single activity that awards multiple prizes to exclusive categories can be more inclusive than one winner events.
Correct, one winner events are not at all inclusive.
Correct, women-only chess events are not at all inclusive.
Correct, multiple divisions within a single activity that awards multiple prizes to exclusive categories can be more inclusive than one winner events.
I agree with all three of these.
You previously claimed the opposite for statement 2.
I acknowledge trans people exist and I like them in general or ones I know and have met. I didn't do it to deny their existence, I called lia a he to deny him the rights of winning a woman ncaa swimming championship which he cheated to win.
It would be absurd to ban that, it would be like banning dead naming celebrities
YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN!! 😮
All rules were followed. There was no cheating. The question is - are the rules appropriate?
Thats just semantics again of course. Its the same question reformed. Lia says 'I didn't cheat, ask the committee'.
JBouton says, 'ur a dude you cheater'.
I'd even call her a chick in other things if that helps the matter.
So sure 'are the rules appropriate?'.
If only there were a way to have women's tournaments while also trying to reduce misogyny in male-dominated games / sports.
If only there were a way to have women's tournaments while also trying to reduce misogyny in male-dominated games / sports.
But rapey chess men validating the existence of a women's chess league isn't a moral validation that a man that doesn't want to play against men morally fits in with woman that feel the same way and thus leading to a man winning the woman ncaa swimming champs.
