Shuffle machines being used in late stage tournament seem super shady. Everybody should object
Hi folks. I have a question. Why do casinos use shuffle machines in poker tournaments when playing down to certain tables? It doesn't make any sense. They claim that the machine speeds up the game and more hands...but think about it. This is not live cash games where the house wants more hands more rakes. We are playing tournament involved hundred thousands or even millions, it's not necessarily for us to play fast because every decision we make is really important and gotta take some times. I think for them to use shuffle machines in the late stage is very strange and super shady. Just want everybody to play a fair game and honest. I am not a fan of shuffle machine at all. I've done a lot of research about how shuffle machine works and surprisingly i found out that the machine can read cards and that's the fact. Shuffle machines can be programmed if they want to. In my opinion, if they do hand shuffle from the beginning they should stick to it to the end. I don't feel comfortable buying 10K knowing that the machine will be handling cards in the late stage tournament. I never trust the machine. I think everybody SHOULD object it. What do you guys think ? Hope you guys enjoyed Christmas and wish you the best for upcoming year 😀
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Any question is who is your handler.
I'm so happy to see other people are seeing this happening also besides me this happened to me a couple of years ago in St Pete Florida at a cardroom plus dog track it was a $10,000 guarantee but the only catch is they had no more than 30 players to play in this tournament so in the beginning it was all the tables we played on had no automatic shuffles then when we got down to the last four tables they brought in this guy that all the dealers all the management knew him and he ended up winning the tournament so that tells me that all they were doing is getting their money back because the turnout didn't happen the way they hoped it would so they always have ways of getting their money back by using these automatic shuffles because they can be manipulated
Kind of a strange bump of an almost 8 year old thread.
I am not saying that poker tournaments are being rigged.
But it can be with the help of a shuffling machine.
A shuffling machine can be programmed to infinite details like which seat gets which starting cards and which will be flop , turn and river cards.
But why a casino will do that where they are not a bank but just dealing cards.
I think any table games where players are playing against the casino (bank) are more likely.
But again we don’t know.
But one thing for sure. All the casino jurisdictions should come up with explanation of how they are verifying the programing of a shuffling devices.
I am not saying that poker tournaments are being rigged.
But it can be with the help of a shuffling machine.
A shuffling machine can be programmed to infinite details like which seat gets which starting cards and which will be flop , turn and river cards.
But why a casino will do that where they are not a bank but just dealing cards.
I think any table games where players are playing against the casino (bank) are more likely.
But again we don’t know.
But one thing for sure. All the casino jurisdiction
I agree technology can be rigged. But casinos stand to lose billions if it ever happens on their watch. Seems like a risky gambit when the entire industry is already rigged legally for them to make tons of money without trying very hard.
I am not saying that poker tournaments are being rigged.
But it can be with the help of a shuffling machine.
A shuffling machine can be programmed to infinite details like which seat gets which starting cards and which will be flop , turn and river cards.
But why a casino will do that where they are not a bank but just dealing cards.
I think any table games where players are playing against the casino (bank) are more likely.
But again we don’t know.
But one thing for sure. All the casino jurisdiction
The inherent problem with this speculation is that, by definition, you aren't committing the perfect crime because the perfect crime necessarily involves zero co-conspirators. In order to rig machines you need far too many conspirators from programmers to individuals who decide when to turn on the doom switch, to dealers who still have to cut the cards precisely in order to have the favored individual win. None of these people are compensated well enough to shut up, especially given that during the pandemic they had, collectively, an employment downturn and reduced income, thereby increasing the incentive to tell all and get paid.
If this was happening over the past five years, by now we would have heard from a leaker, a disgruntled former employee, an anonymous tell all book, etc.
Add to that that this is poker - a rounding error in most casino's P&L calculations. The level of stupidity needed to rig poker and risk losing your license to run slot machines and table games is unimaginable.
I still say this was an odd bump but in case anyone missed it, there’s a recent thread in NVG about this:
