Botfarm won $10 Million on WPN

That's, like, even money.

I couldn't explain at least 95% of the processes running on my laptop. ("Qt QtWebEngineProcess"? "Service Host: Remote Procedure Call"?)

After reading hundreds of comments like this from casual poker players on platforms like reddit and youtube:

It got me thinking, is going going public with this stuff actually the right move? Do pros outweigh the cons? Pros being putting some pressure on sites to fix the issues, while the cons are scaring of millions of recreational players potentially forever. Even in best case scenario, lets say the pressure we put on sites makes them actually fix all the problems (very unlikely to happen), are we ever going to gain trust from recreational players?

What makes u think people haven't reported to fk these guys?

Sounds like its a last resort thing to make 2p2 thread. It's poker sites which don't give a fk or incompentent to blame for the idea that poker has a bot problem, not regs.

given that the pressure we're putting on these overseas offshoe sites is going to most likely change absolutely nothing in the long run, yes its pretty awful and is going to be scaring away some recs probably and some **** regs leaving crushers, bots, and a smaller slice of hopefuls and recreational players

Nah, the recs have been thinking for years online poker is rigged anyway, yet they still play, so a real scandal won't change them away either I think. Especially when you find out so many people don't even know or care about the scandal.

It's no like that at all. He posted list of nicknames that are bots. Anybody can confirm it using basic reports in any tracker (HM, PT, H2N) in half an hour. I did so with cash ones.
None of 20+ butlers accused made an appearance in court. Nobody is arguing it's false accusation. Because it's not banana, it's DNA, smoking gun, video of crime etc.
Since WPN CEO/security haven't done anything about it in years, compelling evidence is not needed. Judge has been paid off.
Two things that can be done:
1) Counter exploit their exploit based strategy w/o giving them info through "evidence" posting. Hopefully regs are doing it. ospiel, luismi etc should be more than capable to clean them up.
2) Anytime WPN CEO/ambassador opens up his mouth on 3rd party platforms, link this thread & bring this problem up in comments. Repeat until WPN/ACR=bot infested shithole is the first search result.

Could a butler kill a maid with a banana? Or was the banana a key witness to the crime?

That sounds exactly like what I've been missing. Could you post a screenshot (or multiple) of the data displayed in your tracker software that shows the kinds of things (statistics I assume) that confirmed for you the original poster's allegations?

Have you tried to do that yourself or do you just want someone else to do it for you?

There is no smoking gun here.

There is overwhelming evidence. Nothing anybody says will be definitive unless you actually see the botfarm doing its thing.

I've ran the reports and sent in the screenshots and hand histories and everything and actually had the bots in my pool quickly removed but there was no confirmation or acknowledgement or reimbursement. This was all done using my own database. Now with this database the evidence is even stronger.

You are doing what Moneymaker and Ebony are doing which is, I don't know how to decipher this information but seeing video of a working bot will convince me that it is possible.

I haven't seen the videos that were submitted for the challenge but maybe once those go public you will be convinced by information you can understand that is easier to digest.

I think where the metaphor breaks is that there's nothing the jury can investigate about the banana, but there's a lot anyone with a poker database can investigate/confirm from this list.

I'm only 9 years old, and since the above seems trivial I must have overlooked the deeper meaning of what you mean, because any 9 year old can follow the difference

The most ironic part of all of this is that, assuming the bot networks share whole cards, the riggies were right!

I have not tried doing statistical analysis on the hand histories linked in the original post. Presumably many posters on this thread have already done such statistical analysis on the hand histories, because why else would they be convinced that there are bots operating behind the nicknames mentioned in the original post. I'm only asking that one of those people who claim to have discovered evidence in the hand histories would post that evidence on this thread (at least in some short form if the full thing is too large).

And I'm only asking to see the smallest sliver of that overwhelming amount of evidence in the hand histories that supports the claim that at least one of the alleged bots is in fact a bot.

Assuming the bots in your pool you're talking about are at least partly the same as the alleged bots in the original post, could you post some of the reports and screenshots on this thread?

I'm not asking specifically to see any videos. I don't need to be convinced that it is possible that the players accused by the original poster are bots because I'm 100% convinced that it is possible that they are bots. I'm asking to see some evidence that the accused players are bots. The burden of proof and all that.

I'm not interested in seeing videos of bots playing online poker unless they are playing for one of the user accounts accused in the original post.

First of all, congrats because you seem like a very smart 9 year old. My metaphor described only my own experience, so I guess I should have added to it that everybody else in the jury seems to understand perfectly fine why the banana proves that the butler is the killer, and they are therefore ready to convict. I'm the one not able to draw such convincing evidence from the banana, so from my point of view it's just a useless banana.

I don't see any irony, just naive NPCs being their usual wrong.

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Here I give some details on my DB not much but I do give a list. These accounts were all reported with hand histories to ACR and as I said above they did take action in a very hush hush manner.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

Here I give a hand history showing one of the signature collusion plays.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

Here another user posts a list in response to mine in which players they identified match players on my list
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

Here a user posts two clips from twitch streams in which not only is it the same player that I identified doing the bot/collusion play but also look at the other players involved in each of those hands. Do the names look familiar. They are a match not only in my list but the other users list.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

Now what does this prove? Are they colluding? Most likely. Are they bots? I don't know but what I do know is that in my DB this group of players was logged on playing lots of hands at the same times. Definitely across multiple tables as I was involved with them in hands at the same time on multiple tables. I BELIEVE (may be wrong) they are bots because it would be really difficult to coordinate these plays across multiple people and multiple tables in fast fold variants.

On top of that, the stats for the players on those lists sit within a pretty well defined range. Does this prove they are bots? No. Does it suggest they might be bots? Absolutely.

This is just the surface. I suck at figuring out how to post screenshots in a nice clean and concise manner. Just composing this post and compiling the list of links was nearly above my free pay grade. I do know how to manipulate my database/reports and have enough experience as a poker player to see that this should at the very least arouse suspicion to anyone who would be actively trying to detect this.

The problem appears to be you ONLY looked at the banana, since all reasonable people have done more than look at the list to draw their conclusion.

I appreciate the efforts you went through.

I have heard some say the bots stay away from the Zoom/Zone tables and are mostly only found at regular speed cash games and MTTs.

Any truth to that?

And what about SNG’s?

Thanks for any info..

Not true for zoom tables on WPN.

Not true for zone tables on ignition either , Bots don't need time to think - humans do

as Patrick Howard mentions in his tweet every night you will find them in 500 zone pool very clearly colluding and playing same strat as they do on reg tables

Can add these to the MTT bot list.

Mavontona
RoverVelar
newminion
mildtoxic
Satr7y
holyst97
Hellodiqz
Oezoo
FinnWhite
Marclard
ormortak
Liennabel
foxna
Seonishan
headlind
skioni
Angelghost
Hotter13
Zerpsaber
cozyexotic

Thanks for that information!

For us lower rollers, how infested do you think bots are on .25/.50 Zone on Bovada/Ignition?

50nl is actually pretty high stakes, wouldn't call that low roller. But I'm curious since you're asking that: would you rather play at 50z with or without these bots? I'm wondering what percentage of the human portion of the player pool wants the bots to stay playing.