Botfarm won $10 Million on WPN
Monitoring the development and profitability of poker bots has become an increasingly challenging task.
Below are my findings related to the bots identified on the Winning Poker Network (WPN).
Botfarm Total Multi-Table Tournament (MTT) Graph:
Botfarm 2023 Year MTT Results:
Botfarm Cash Games NL400+ Since April 1, 2023:
The issue of bot proliferation has been recognized for at least 3.5 years, as discussed in this Botfarm forum thread.
Despite submitting comprehensive reports to the WPN, which unfortunately went unanswered from their security team, I harbor no illusions that they will address the problem. The security service has let down the player community. Therefore, I am reaching out to poker schools, funds, and independent players.
I urge you to examine the hands played by these bots in cash games and MTTs this year, analyze their strategies in training sessions, and actively combat them at the tables. In many games, they constitute a significant portion of the player field, ranging from 5% to 15%.
https://mega.nz/file/tuJwgYYI#2WVRTQ2BB9... - MTT Hands
https://mega.nz/file/0rQzzSZY#WGXy0n1-w4... - Cash Hands
Here are the aliases for Hand2Note 3 that I have compiled. However, I encourage you to verify and draw your own conclusions.
https://mega.nz/file/FuowxARL#7MLoYSwjqx... - Aliases
Currently, Botfarm evolve approximately every 3 months but still employ exploitative tactics, allowing to push back. Given their ability to create over 100+ new accounts per month, eradicating them requires multiple waves of blocking, not just a single sweep. This issue is not exclusive to WPN; evidence suggests that Ignition and GG Poker are already affected. While I lack data from all platforms, it is certain that they will infiltrate wherever there is a lucrative game.
In the end I would like to say that poker is a game of people with each other, not the machines. Interference by machines disrupts the essence of poker. If any room management believes that regular players can be replaced by machines - you are mistaken. In such a scenario, the game would inevitably dwindle or even cease to exist, reaching an untenable scale.
List of MTT Nicknames Part 1:
List of MTT Nicknames Part 2:
List of Cash NL400+ Nicknames:
ACR is crushable too. Landon Tice has been beating 200NL Blitz on ACR for like 8bb/100 or something the last 6 months, pre rakeback, and Jeremiah Williams was beating it for a decent clip too until he quit recently. If you really want to beat the games, they can be beaten anywhere.
8bb everything has to be going perfect. You can dump 20 bi on blitz in no time just with standard pre flop coolers. I ain't buying it.
post the graph. 8bb prerakeback seems very silly. Especially since I saw him on his pod yesterday say he was losing on acr. He could have been talking about mtts. I think if he is winning 8bb its with rakeback probably over a small sample.
Didn't you just come into my thread saying I dont know anything about the segregated pool I play in? lets see some data from you now.
Landon is a public figure its easy to find. I'm sure your not making stuff out of your ass. post it or stop shillin.
I would bet my left nut hes at 8bb/100 POST RAKEBACK. Thats is a real winrate you can get on a reg heavy bot infested unregulated site
ACR is crushable too. Landon Tice has been beating 200NL Blitz on ACR for like 8bb/100 or something the last 6 months, pre rakeback, and Jeremiah Williams was beating it for a decent clip too until he quit recently. If you really want to beat the games, they can be beaten anywhere.
yeah i can see there 8bb, but in reldine 😃
and JW played like 20k hands thats very big sample
ROFL. This shill cant even read a poker graph
well if you mean they both end up with you losing.. but the reasons for losing are way way different.
also, the lossrate is completely different. I was and am beating games where bot rings are active (although i rather see them gone obv) but no way i could beat a site with a RNG rigged against me
MTT Roadmap
Level 1 - Fish and Donkeys (Nagy Horses)
Level 2- Botfarms
Level 3- Ali Imsirovic and Moneytaker
But dont worry it’s not rigged!
Does anyone have thoughts on the WPN user "IamZac"? I've no supporting evidence, nor do I have the time to search, however I've followed their graph for the last 2 years with a 74% ROI over 3600MTTs
First of all, thank you Tyler for raising awareness on a topic that should be resolved once and for all. I was about to give up playing on ACR this year, but this post gave me just a little bit of hope.
Even though I think that this circus will continue, I would just like to give my opinion on this subject.
As someone who plays cash games on a daily basis on ACR, it's so obvious the amount of bots that exist in the mid/high stakes NL games. I can identify a list of probably 100 accounts with the same preflop stats over a significant sample, playing from NL100-NL1k. These botfarms are out of control and need to be stopped. There are a lot of accounts that were "crushing" that suddenly disappeared out of nowhere. I don't know about you, but I don't know any real poker pros who give up on a site after crushing the games. It's just a process of rinse and repeat that seems to never stop.
Also the no chat policy combined with the hiding of the country names, it's just comical for a site who wants to be as transparent as they can. Specially, being accused of having bots on their site for a lot of years.
I'm not claiming that ACR is involved, but their security team needs to BE/DO better.
It's not that hard to find out who the bots are, and I'm no detective. Just by looking at the 100 biggest winners in the last 12 months from NL100-NL200 (shoutout statname), I can confidenty say that 50% are bots. A lot are from Kazakhstan, Brazil, Armenia, Chile, Peru... (I already had a spreadsheet of suspected bots prior of them hiding the country names, so that's why I know).
I think most of these accounts only play up to NL200 not to raise any alarm bells from real pros/regs.
I also believe they share cards and play up to 3 players on either 6-max tables and full ring ones. Considering that there are tables with bomb pots, just imagine the money that it's being "stolen" from the community without no one realizing.
A few examples of suspected bots:
- edgysolid
- Motool3
- Agenciata
- Bergros25
- TeenieLove
- SonVibrant
- BigChick7
- Sasha4
- zunsetek
- Vesemir3
- Buzoov
- Swordstaff (Won 7.8bb/100 and 8.1k$ in 73k hands of NL100/200, not seen for the last 6 months)
- TorLord (Won 6.7bb/100 and 12k$ in 106k hands of NL100-600, not seen for the last 3 months)
- MilkAsta (Won 16.5bb/100 and 18k$ in 57k hands of NL100-600, not seen for the last 3 months)
- Midthist (Won 2.7bb/100 and 8.9k in 180k hands of NL100/200, not seen for the last 3 months)
- Casanova71
- meadowlark
- SteerMan
- Jiglypuffff (Won 2.3bb/100 and 5.9k$ in 112k hands of NL100/200, not seen for the last 4 months)
- Cemuso7 (Won 5bb/100 and 7.7k$ in 86k hands of NL100/200, not seen for the last 6 months)
- ...
Thank god we live in a simulation and this is all just a coincidence 😀
what about those 30+ bots from the same small city in Belarus, would it be a war crime banning them?
For the love of god can we please stop saying
“the bots are from this country”
“ACR removing location changed so much”
It was all a mirage. Any group or groups of individuals that is/are smart enough to make millions cheating in online poker, are smart enough to use a VPN.
1. Online poker is illegal in Russia. I don’t know how illegal or what the sentence is if you get caught, but why would someone with any amount of money, run a bot ring from there? They wouldn’t
Currently reading Elliot Roes book, and he talks about something I think is relevant to the situation. He talks about a player at a casino winning at blackjack. He then asks you to imagine the pit boss coming up and telling the dealer to start standing on 16, and hitting on 18 or something like that.
The point of the exercise, is that you would never expect a casino to change its strategy based on whether or not a player was winning, and you shouldn’t either.
With ACR, when you see that a player is from Russia/belarus/brazil… many people adjust their game. When you deviate from what you consider your best strategy, you increase the likelihood that you lose.
I’ve seen many screen shots of people showing themselves at a table with 7 Russian or Belarus players. Them not playing their hand, and instead stopping and taking a picture of the table, has already gotten the player off their A game.
2. Think really hard about what it means to see a player from “Russia”, and think of why you are given this information
No other site tells you the country or state(in the US at least). Why would we be given information that can be completely manipulated with a $30 subscription to hidemyass vpn?
The purpose is and was deception
For the love of god can we please stop saying
“the bots are from this country”
“ACR removing location changed so much”
It was all a mirage. Any group or groups of individuals that is/are smart enough to make millions cheating in online poker, are smart enough to use a VPN.
1. Online poker is illegal in Russia. I donÂ’t know how illegal or what the sentence is if you get caught, but why would someone with any amount of money, run a bot ring from there? They wouldnÂ’t
Currently reading Elliot R
Again with the weird letter A characters. What's the story?
The story may just be something on your end. This is how it looks to me:
For the love of god can we please stop saying
“the bots are from this country”
“ACR removing location changed so much”
That said, I have seen people's posts before where weird characters get subbed in for quotes, apostrophes, etc. When I see that, I assume it's some kind of strange formatting glitch on their end or mine, and move on. 😀
After reading hundreds of comments like this from casual poker players on platforms like reddit and youtube:
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It got me thinking, is going going public with this stuff actually the right move? Do pros outweigh the cons? Pros being putting some pressure on sites to fix the issues, while the cons are scaring of millions of recreational players potentially forever. Even in best case scenario, lets say the pressure we put on sites makes them actually fix all the problems (very unlikely to happen), are we ever going to gain trust from recreational players?
01-07-2024, 10:03 PM
given that the pressure we're putting on these overseas offshoe sites is going to most likely change absolutely nothing in the long run, yes its pretty awful and is going to be scaring away some recs probably and some **** regs leaving crushers, bots, and a smaller slice of hopefuls and recreational players
You guys do a bang up job of dispelling the thought that online grinders are low level POSs that will do anything to make a few bucks and provide no benefit to society.
So let me get this straight, instead of trying to address the issues and strive to make the games safer for everyone, we should not care about massive online cheating and honest working/retired ppl not only losing money to anti-social online solver nerds but also to bot farms and superusers now? We should keep all of that hush hush and let them be cheated just so you can grind out 2BB/100 post RB?
You guys are unbelievable and deserve to be cheated with this mindset. I have been looking forward to regulated online poker again in the US as my state is finally getting very close to legalizing it. However, after reading some of the posts the last few months in these forums, I am starting to look forward to the end of online poker with shared player pools outside of the their host country.
“the bots are from this country”
That's what I'm seeing. Those A characters all over people's posts. I did ignore it at first but now it's everywhere on this forum.
Any further word from Nagy, Kenny, Moneymaker or anyone else from ACR? Boski taking some of that well earned-legit acr money and late regging live 16 hundos with less than 20 bb like its money he wipes his a $ s with. Must be getting paid alot from acr to do that cuz he sure doesn't make enough off his poker prowess to be flushing money like that. Him and most of them(not all) over there wont speak up or do anything as long as their pockets continue to get lined and they get live buyins and trips paid for
Any further word from Nagy, Kenny, Moneymaker or anyone else from ACR? Boski taking some of that well earned-legit acr money and late regging live 16 hundos with less than 20 bb like its money he wipes his a $ s with. Must be getting paid alot from acr to do that cuz he sure doesn't make enough off his poker prowess to be flushing money like that. Him and most of them(not all) over there wont speak up or do anything as long as their pockets continue to get lined and they get live buyins and trip
I saw someone win some ACR live tourney they sattied into a couple of months back. Along with a trophy and, of course, money they got a chance to meet Moneymaker. He showed up late with flip flops and cargo shorts on. His big, nasty feet sticking out. I thought that was rather classless. He could have at least put on some sneakers.
I saw someone win some ACR live tourney they sattied into a couple of months back. Along with a trophy and, of course, money they got a chance to meet Moneymaker. He showed up late with flip flops and cargo shorts on. His big, nasty feet sticking out. I thought that was rather classless. He could have at least put on some sneakers.
Sounds like someone has a foot fetish...
