I am a literal legend of gambling, ask me anything.

by limon k

this was so long ago $1-2-straddle nl was the biggest game going in these places. this tiny handful of casinos were basically the only DAILY NL on the entire west coast!! there wasn't a single NL game in all of los angeles of course 25 years ago uncapped 1-2 was the equivalent of prob 5-5nl today. min wage was $5.15 an hour!!!

Hell, it's only $7.25 now. Federal, and in most states. I'm sure some states such as the People's Republic of California have jacked it up more than that, though, so maybe that's what you were thinking of.

in 1st world states its $15 an hour at least.

So did you turn them in?

Time for a slight reset. This is an AMA thread, so let's stick with sincere questions for limon (and I don't count questions like "why are you an *******?" as sincere :p), and I'm sure you'll get sincere answers. Things have strayed from this quite a bit the last few weeks (not referring to any of the most recent posts), so I'd like to get it back on track. Thanks!

You mentioned Lubbock..

Did you ever play in any games with another 2+2 legend, Johnny Hughes?

I don't have a question but I just want to say that your super old story about two guys arguing over who is more Greek is one of my favorite posts to ever grace 2p2. Hopefully you actually posted that and I am not misremembering..

how did you track your poker activity? Did you log the financial aspect such as buy ins, wins losses, expenses, good games, bad games, best venue, etc. ?

You either don’t get out much or aren’t very observant. Poker isn’t going away any time soon but it’s certainly dying. The community is rapidly aging and very few young people are interested in poker. The effects of the poker boom and moneymaker are mostly lost on gen z and alpha.

Tons of young people are interested in poker. Every college campus has games running. The reason poker is dying is because it's so damn easy to figure out how to not suck, so only the absolute dumbest people still lose while anyone with half a brain and any interest in keeping their money can at least breakeven. There's probably 1000 articles and youtube videos teaching you that you shouldn't open limp j7s and once you figure that out it's pretty trivial to be winning money at low stakes.

Whatever you say. I’m fairly sure there’s less 20somethings interested in poker today than there were in 2005. I’m also sure there’s less games running on college campuses than there were 10 years ago. But we can agree to disagree I don’t really care.

Seems like I'm not the one who's misunderstanding things. Stop living in the past and convincing yourself of all these bizarre things because you can't beat the games today. As you see, right away someone had to correct your ignorance.

What you're "sure" of means nothing. We've already established that you're clueless and living in the past. TONS of young people are interested in poker. It's a rapidly growing market both online and live. That's just a monetary fact. Dust the cobwebs off, take a shower, and get with 2024.

Please reference: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

I honestly don’t have any interest in going back and forth with an idiot. I never commented on my ability to beat games in 2024. Simply making an observation on interest in poker from younger players. Not surprising you’re way too dumb to even comprehend that. Let’s just agree to disagree

Yet you're the one who needed to have their entire foundation of understanding immediately corrected by multiple people. There are young people getting into the game, the industry is growing rapidly financially (live and online, believe that or not), and the game is in no way a "dying industry" as was the original claim I took objection to. It's growing. Rapidly.

So, sure...we can agree to disagree based on those facts.

this bickering is ok. what bobo is talking about is some stalker dude who was chasing me around the forums and threatening me with violence. there are some real nuts on here.

some real talk here, how much is he losing? if hes losing a buy on an hour ill pay his blinds, lol. if hes your general angle shooting loser i will politely say to the dealer, "where's the big blind?" when she points to it i will say "please move it forward, i cant see it, my fault my fault". this will nearly always end it with no feelings hurt and losers keep losing. if the player is break even or bad for the game at all i will straight call him out, accuse of cheating and try to get him banned from the casino. this is pro poker.

1. I tend to like to stay above ground breathing

2. turn them in to who? lololololol

there have been ZERO literally ZERO people that have come to me in good faith with genuine curiosity that have not been treated with respect and dignity in this thread or any other thread i have posted in. When people come at me with negativity snark or disrespect they get that back TEN FOLD. Many posters here aren't used to the posts of an according to hoyle genius multi millionaire legend of poker. When i cut right to the chase and jump 10 steps past where they were thinking it scares them and they lash out like infants. When i make a post in a thread i am generally giving the correct and final answer, the reaction from my inferiors is fear. How do i know this? you can look at the things i say in other threads and there will be others (randoms/unknowns) who post nearly the same thing but they are not attacked. When i post i am viciously attacked. the inferiors cant just ignore what ive said as a random comment, they know their superior has spoken, they receive a narcissistic injury and must lash out.

calling poker a dying industry is 100% accurate. The games get smaller every year. in 2008 there were at least 12 $10-20nl++ public games running on a friday night in LA. in 2023 theres probably one!!! The same is true in vegas where bigger games are increasingly private/semi private, these are the poker capitols of the world. these are easily proven facts. yes you might want to be in this industry still, but the FACT that it is a dying industry AT THE LEVELS NECESSARY TO MAKE REAL MONEY (150k a year+++) is irrefutable

I mean, is this even true? High stakes live poker really doesn't seem to be diminishing very much. Even the WSOP continues to grow in $$ each year.

In any event, calling it a dying industry is just a bridge a little too far. In my honestly humble opinion. I'm clueless next to some of you. Not all of you, though.

Do you think Chess is a dying industry/game?

i assume so. i dont remember a lot of the people i played with way back then. ray zee a couple times in colma iirc, sunny mehta, banker sam, matt flynn, bobby hoff, joe "win" herzog, mansour, bob stupak once, jack ryan, fisherman greg, puggy (the cheat), gabe kaplan many others. there weren't really big DAILY no limit games back then only during the WSOP and i was a small fish shot taker at that point in the late 90s early 2000s so i didn't play with a lot of the "old legends" much. I was in los angeles most of the time and it was nearly 100% limit poker.

the WSOP has as much to do with poker as the kentucky derby has to do with horse racing. its a perfect analogy. horse racing is dying/dead but getting a ticket to the derby costs a fortune. its sold out wayyyy in advance, ITS AN EVENT. The WSOP is also an event, it has NOTHING to do with poker players who grind daily to make a good living. People dress up and get excited to go to the big event, it does NOTHING to help the guy tryin to make 150k a year playing cash in atlantic city or whatever. IT ACTUALLY HURTS THAT GUY, the working poker cash game pro. tournaments suck the life out of PRO POKER. You are mistaking events where amateurs waste SMALL money for health, health is big juicy DAILY PUBLIC cash games where you can make an UPPER MIDDLE CLASS LIVING. these games are going going gone. SIMPLY: many of you are taking about the health of poker, who cares? im talking about the health of PRO POKER. (every big name you guys look up to is complaining about being locked out of games and public games drying up, that is what is really happening)

i know noting about chess, seems like a massive waste of time. i play for money.

If you had started playing Chess young, I would imagine you would have gotten quite good at it. Just from reading this thread and what your experiences with poker and money are. In that case, there would be financial incentives to progress to becoming a titled player and playing fulltime. It's just really, really hard so most players supplement their tournament winnings by writing ebooks, software, making videos, streaming, etc.

With poker, the same is also true in that streaming, software, coaching, etc brings in a ton of money to a lot of people. With the market expected to grow dramatically by 2030+ (it is), I think the game will continue to offer people the opportunity to make $150k+ a year for quite some time. Harder to do than in your day? Obviously. Much. But there are guys doing it. If you combine live + online + coaching, etc - that's a lot of money. I'm not saying it's the best lifestyle or anything like that but for some of these players, poker is really it for them. That's all they want to do. You have a lot of young chess players like that today, too. They do nothing but play and study chess. Like you said way back in the beginning of this thread: Asperger's.