Botfarm won $10 Million on WPN

Botfarm won $10 Million on WPN

Monitoring the development and profitability of poker bots has become an increasingly challenging task.

Below are my findings related to the bots identified on the Winning Poker Network (WPN).

Botfarm Total Multi-Table Tournament (MTT) Graph:


Botfarm 2023 Year MTT Results:


Botfarm Cash Games NL400+ Since April 1, 2023:


The issue of bot proliferation has been recognized for at least 3.5 years, as discussed in this Botfarm forum thread.

Despite submitting comprehensive reports to the WPN, which unfortunately went unanswered from their security team, I harbor no illusions that they will address the problem. The security service has let down the player community. Therefore, I am reaching out to poker schools, funds, and independent players.

I urge you to examine the hands played by these bots in cash games and MTTs this year, analyze their strategies in training sessions, and actively combat them at the tables. In many games, they constitute a significant portion of the player field, ranging from 5% to 15%.

https://mega.nz/file/tuJwgYYI#2WVRTQ2BB9... - MTT Hands
https://mega.nz/file/0rQzzSZY#WGXy0n1-w4... - Cash Hands

Here are the aliases for Hand2Note 3 that I have compiled. However, I encourage you to verify and draw your own conclusions.

https://mega.nz/file/FuowxARL#7MLoYSwjqx... - Aliases

Currently, Botfarm evolve approximately every 3 months but still employ exploitative tactics, allowing to push back. Given their ability to create over 100+ new accounts per month, eradicating them requires multiple waves of blocking, not just a single sweep. This issue is not exclusive to WPN; evidence suggests that Ignition and GG Poker are already affected. While I lack data from all platforms, it is certain that they will infiltrate wherever there is a lucrative game.

In the end I would like to say that poker is a game of people with each other, not the machines. Interference by machines disrupts the essence of poker. If any room management believes that regular players can be replaced by machines - you are mistaken. In such a scenario, the game would inevitably dwindle or even cease to exist, reaching an untenable scale.

List of MTT Nicknames Part 1:


List of MTT Nicknames Part 2:


List of Cash NL400+ Nicknames:


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by TookashotatChan k

Clowns. Here is the video where he discusses his adventure on 200NL. Not sure if it is still ongoing. The graph you posted was his first 50k hands, in which he admits to getting a feel for the pool in the first 30k hands or so, and playing suboptimally by limping SB, cold calling SB, etc.

@47:50 he discusses his monthly results of 5bb/100 pre rakeback @200NL Blitz on ACR
@49:00 they discuss the rakeback of 27% + points etc
@49:20 he does mental math and post rakeback he won 12.5bb/100
@50:00 they d

and non of these sample sizes even matter. Still waiting for that graph tho


by TookashotatChan k

Right. I was speaking from memory, so got the winrate wrong. The point stands. Winrates are WAY higher on other platforms.

so when I was posting from memory about the history of ggpoker in ontario and probably got something wrong. You didn't go off about unrelated global bullshit and mess up the thread even more?


by MoViN.tArGeT k

so when I was posting from memory about the history of ggpoker in ontario and probably got something wrong. You didn't go off about unrelated global bullshit and mess up the thread even more?

You aren't posting from memory about anything in nearly any of your posts. What you are doing is making stuff up completely out of thin air to support your conclusion there is a russian botting ring operating on GG ontario (lol) and that it's an inside job and that they're all colluding against you specifically to take away your spot on a $100 leaderboard, your only evidence being in a discord with 20 other shitregs picking their noses and flicking boogers at each other and straining really hard to figure out how on earth it's even possible unless they're all cheating us let's get 2+2 on it!

I know exactly how it's possible though, you're the same guy who doesn't think 200NL is beatable basically anywhere online despite many good players beating far higher stakes than that pretty much everywhere online.

I could post all the evidence in the world here and the same losers would come up with an even bigger wheelbarrow of excuses as to why they're still right and the game can't be beat, despite really good players saying it can, despite really good players saying no time has been better than now to play online in the last 5 years. C'est la vie. Outgrow your own limitations, or don't. I don't care.


Dude, you just extrapolated from a breakeven 50k hand sample that Tice could beat 200nl for an easy 200k a year. Seems like the pot calling the kettle black.

Also, it’s far more than 20 **** regs. There’s plenty of winning 200nl players in the discord you’re referring to. I don’t even play on GG/WSOP but am 95+% convinced that target is on to something with his bot ring or site player claims from what I’ve seen. I have no stake in it being the case or not.

Maybe try to stop spewing nonsense and derailing threads when you clearly don’t have any actual knowledge regarding the things you’re talking about.


I have no idea what your talking about I make my living from playing poker online for the majority of the last decade and beat nl200 so I dont know where you got the idea that I dont think its beatable. I know where bots play and what they look like. Or at the very least am more qualified to give input

You on the other hand are arguing a questionable winrate over a laughable sample size and using landon tice to back it up. we were just asking for evidence and none exists.

Now your back tracking and saying landon tice a known media attention whore is still winning despite him not posting a graph over a sample size that wouldn't even matter if it were true.
If landon had a graph beating 200blitz for 8bb/100 over a reasonable sample it would be on the front page of his instagram


by TookashotatChan k

Clowns.

@47:50 he discusses his monthly results of 5bb/100 pre rakeback @200NL Blitz on ACR
@49:00 they discuss the rakeback of 27% + points etc
@49:20 he does mental math and post rakeback he won 12.5bb/100

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If you play 40hrs/week that's 200k a year. At 200NL. On the worst US-facing site you can play on.

you crush. do a prop bet for $18k in one month at acr 200nl. you'll get a ton of action.

or just post a graph of your results (in $, not bb)

otherwise please stop spamming all threads with "pokers easy never been better omg i'm better than phil g and i barely try"


The last time Landon Tice and 8bb/100 was mentioned in the same thought many lulz were had....


guys are the bots gone yet?


by mesmerized k

so the real question is

has black friday caused all this cos of usa tards that cant run a billion dollar gold mine? i mean was all this happening pre-black friday ?there was no need to,

so since the market dried up, players win rate dropped......how can i make the same money as before....cheat...and this is for all the recent threads regarding scandal./cheating etc

poker is a scummbags game now i was once a proud professional winner....

personally i think once HUDS were allowed this allowed cheating

I agree with you, and HUDS shouldn’t be allowed. I think it creates an unfair disadvantage and ruins skill-based play.


by Acesfullofgarbage k

guys are the bots gone yet?

Cash game

reg talbes100-400
very low amount of bots, 3x less than used to be

Blitz 200

still same around 30% of fields are bots, but i hope they will stay, because without them blitz will die


by Acesfullofgarbage k

guys are the bots gone yet?

no. MTT bots are still in the pool.


ACR stopped publicly posting banned players for botting/RTA usage. **** this shady site.

We hope this email finds you well,

We refrained from publicly posting refunds on our website some time ago, since then all players entitled to a refund are notified via email.

Regards


I'm so excited for my massive refund from ACR

..../s


by gorombagomba k

no. MTT bots are still in the pool.

but kuhn said there is nothing to worry about and everyone will get every cent they lose to a bot back. head of security is steps ahead of the bots and nagy is in this business for online pokers best, not his own profit. kuhn was very clear about this during berkeys panel discussion


by yellowfever k

WPN is clearly not capable of distinguishing bots/colluders/RTA users from the player pool. Its been obv for a long time they need to just ban the countries that have the highest % of these players. Unfortunately their is some legit players that would be collateral damage but thats how it goes in many areas of life.

Pretty much every major site is banning some countries from playing there for different reasons. Its not a "war crime" its smart business.

That's so dumb and xenophobic, "Those guys have brown hair let's just ban every people with brown hair."
No site is "banning" any country you genius. There are some local regulations rules / laws / organization that don't allow to play internet poker, or only on specific allowed sites. But no site decided to ban any country because 50 guys were colluding in this country.
You're probably that kind of guy who applaudes when USA invades Afghanistan / Iraq / Syria because one of the 10 arabic guys who supposedly made the biggest "terrorist" attacks with wood knives made a training in one of this country. Dangerous clown.


by mcc3504 k

what about those 30+ bots from the same small city in Belarus, would it be a war crime banning them?

Banning them no, banning the whole Belarus yes... Do you see why ?


by Pocket5 k

I agree with you, and HUDS shouldn’t be allowed. I think it creates an unfair disadvantage and ruins skill-based play.

huds are completely useless if you dont have the smarts to use them so saying they're unfair is akin to saying being smart is unfair.


by pierrot_63_97 k

That's so dumb and xenophobic, 2nd worst poster ITT after limon troll. "Those guys have brown hair let's just ban every people with brown hair."
No site is "banning" any country you genius. There are some local regulations rules / laws / organization that don't allow to play internet poker, or only on specific allowed sites. But no site decided to ban any country because 50 guys were colluding in this country.
You're probably that kind of guy who applaudes when USA invades Afghanistan / Iraq / S

Umm no if all the cheaters are coming from the same 3rd world country ban that country and get rid of the cheaters. Belarussians and Russians are whoever are not entitled to play on American sites any more than Americans are entitled to play on sites from their countries. Your comparison is silly no one is talking about starting a war or invading a country but i find it telling that you think kicking a country off a poker site and starting a war are similar


Why would someone play on acr from Eastern Europe when they could play on GG PS etc…. ?

It seems strange to me that there’s even players in these countries. You can only assume it’s bots at this point.

It’s certainly not xenophobic as we want to ban them because of the real player to bot ratio NOT bc of their country of origin or ethnicity.


by PokerEthics k

Why would someone play on acr from Eastern Europe when they could play on GG PS etc…. ?

Because of the pool of dreadful American players, L,DO


by AlanBostick k

Because of the pool of dreadful American players, L,DO

The dreadful players in the us are playing on other sites en masse. There’s legit no reason to play on acr unless you’re trying to run a bot then it’s a great option.


by Baracus k

but kuhn said there is nothing to worry about and everyone will get every cent they lose to a bot back. head of security is steps ahead of the bots and nagy is in this business for online pokers best, not his own profit. kuhn was very clear about this during berkeys panel discussion

Like many others i cant wait for that fictionary refund for the thousands of dollars ive been cheated in the last 8-9 years on wpn. Kuhn goes on to tell us how amazing Nagy is and how Nagy wants a world where his kids can grow up and play online poker lmao. What a hilarious shill job but that was to no surprise. I am glad that Pads and Marinelli went on to explain some truths about how WPN and Nanonoko had not been open to receive feedback or help from them when they had all the evidence in the world. Otherwise listeners to the show might actually believe the bs that Kuhn was spewing. In the end nothing will change.


There was a reasonable amount of buffoonery on that panel. Thats going to happen when you assemble a group of wealthy people isolated in their bubble.


by PokerEthics k

The dreadful players in the us are playing on other sites en masse. There’s legit no reason to play on acr unless you’re trying to run a bot then it’s a great option.

This is just untrue because A LOT of the regs, people who actually play, from "eastern europe" (whatever that even means) are playing on ACR. It's a much better option than playing on Stars for the same reason that it's a better option for players from Austria, Hungary, UK, etc.


by TookashotatChan k

Clowns. Here is the video where he discusses his adventure on 200NL. Not sure if it is still ongoing. The graph you posted was his first 50k hands, in which he admits to getting a feel for the pool in the first 30k hands or so, and playing suboptimally by limping SB, cold calling SB, etc.

@47:50 he discusses his monthly results of 5bb/100 pre rakeback @200NL Blitz on ACR
@49:00 they discuss the rakeback of 27% + points etc
@49:20 he does mental math and post rakeback he won 12.5bb/100
@50:00 they d

too small of sample, 80k isnt much

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