NL2/5. What smallest pair to squeeze?
The table lineup is new and effective stack is 100bb.
UTG2 opens to $20. HJ and CO call. Assume Hero at BU with a pocket pair, what is the smallest pair to 3bet raise here?
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At 100bb, I personally would go a little tighter. Especially w/ all the callers in between. 20 pre from a tight range and 2 calls, what sizing are you taking when squeezing? Also, do you have a plan if you get jammed on by UTG2?
Squeeze would have to be somewhere between 100-120, maybe even larger.
But depending on how aggro utg2 is, going 99+ here. And sometimes, 88+.
And fold to a jam w/ bottom of squeezing range (with pairs).
Readless probably 99.
My sense is that an unknown LOLive 2-5 player's UTG opening range is going to be snug, something like {99+, AQs+, AKo}, and their 4-bet jamming range is going to be (KK+, AKs}
Suppose we 3-bet to 100, the blinds fold, UTG jams and the two idiot flatcallers fold. We are facing a raise of 400 and a pot of 240 -- assuming that the $7 in blind money gets eaten by the rake if we see a flop -- so we need equity of 400 / (240 + 400 +400) = 0.385 to make the call.
Only six combos of AA have enough equity to make the call if UTG jams.
We aren't there yet. We want to know large our entire range should be so that this 6-combo continuing range is the correct frequency. Our minimum defense frequency for this situation is MDF = 240/ (240 + 400) = 0.375, i.e. 3/8. 6 combos is 3/8 of 16 combos. A three-betting range of {KK+, AKs} has enough combos that we aren't going to be exploitable by villain's jams.
So the answer to OP's question, using my assumptions, is KK.
Rangebuilding like this is, or before the solver era, was, a fundamental skill. It is worth learning and understanding.
His question was what would you squeeze with, not what would you call a 4bet jam with.
Didn't read the entire post, but if your conclusion is that you need KK minimum to squeeze this spot I would say you are most certainly wrong.
I would rather see the flop multiway in position against ep opener and don't want to be forced to fold to 4!, so maybe would just squeeze JJ+, call with any lower pp. pps would not be my candidates to squeeze light with.
With no information about the opener/callers and not particularly deep stacks? I would go with JJ+. I would rather play TT/99 cautiously without any information and everything lower mostly for set value.
With no information about the opener/callers and not particularly deep stacks? I would go with JJ+. I would rather play TT/99 cautiously without any information and everything lower mostly for set value.
This.
When your squeeze is going to be half your stack, it's no longer about which PP you have, but more about what your reads on your opponents are, what you think they might have, and how often they will fold.
Any 4-bet shove is either going to be a better pair or a race whether you have 99 or 22. Your equity will be exactly the same.
This.
When your squeeze is going to be half your stack, it's no longer about which PP you have, but more about what your reads on your opponents are, what you think they might have, and how often they will fold.
Any 4-bet shove is either going to be a better pair or a race whether you have 99 or 22. Your equity will be exactly the same.
He has 100 BBs, that is $500, so a squeeze after a $20 open is not for anything like half his stack.
Personally, I would only 3-bet QQ+. Don't want to fold or gii to a 4! with TT/JJ. There is so much value in position multiway with like TT. You can 3! light with some bluffs.
In a vacuum roughly 77.
A lot depends on whether you have an overcalling range and that's going to be somewhat situation dependant (eg the blinds). As a default I would mostly prefer to squeeze rather than overcall in the majority of situations and 77-88 is going to be strong enough. (My overcalling range would be very condensed and rather weak; something like 66-88, most suited Aces, some of the better offsuit Broadways like AJo, some suited connectors, perhaps one or two speculative hands like J9s). Without an overcalling range you'd need to tighten up and just toss most of those hands.
With two callers I say TT+. PPs are more incentivized to call IP.
Readless,, I would over call up to 99. TT would be a mixed strategy here between 3bet squeeze and over call. JJ+ would always be 3bet squeezing here.
When you have better reads on the various Villains, we can be much more aggro with 99 and much more conservative with Jj.
I should add as I was thinking about this the other day... I know an asian kid who plays with daddys money, tries to play LAG but is probably just a whale to good players, to me he is LAG.. He 3bets 22-88 routinely from the blinds. Sometimes into 2 players.
I was thinking about this and I dont like small PPs as a 3bet simply because I dont know "where I'm at" and I rarely improve.
ex. 55 and opener calls, flop K-7-3ssd, are we ahead? Sometimes. I dont want a lot of money to go in though. Turn Q, river 7. Uhhh.. okay.
Wheras hands like QJs or A5o I much prefer as light 3bets simply because I know I'm crushed or ahead when I either flop TP or A-high.
I don't understand playing 100bb deep if we can buy in for more. If everyone else at the table is half-stacking it while we're 200bb deep, I'd look for another table. Questions / situations like this one are the reason why.
I also don't really know how to answer hypotheticals that ignore all reads in live games. Like, seriously, we're just totally in the dark about what anyone else might be doing?
Also - what's our 3B size here? $100? More? Less? Does it make sense to raise less than 5x behind 2 callers, just because we're starting with a shorter stack?
To play along, though - If we're only 100bb deep, and if we'd raise to $100, I'd probably err on the tighter side, and just call with 99/TT, and raise JJ+.
I have no idea if that's "right" though, in theory. What's the point of raising ~20% of our starting stack, with any PP under QQ, if we can't call off a 4B, which I presume would just be a jam?