Top pair top kicker in huge limp pot

Call and reevaluate.

Call. See who else comes along and what the turn card is. Be ready to give this up if there is much interest because there are not many turn cards that are good for you.

It's truly easier to just post the bet amounts in dollars instead of in BB's

As played, if you're asking whether you should call or raise, just call. It would also help to know what suite your ace is, which will tell us if we block FD's nor not.

Suit is definitely something good to consider that I hadn't thought about, yeah, thanks

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I didn't grunch for some reason, but I would mostly lean to a nitty fold here. She's made a ~PSB from the earliest position into eleventeen players, plus we still have those eleventeen players to act behind us.

Sometimes we'll fold the best hand. But that will be a very small and rather insignificant mistake due to this being a very small (and heavily raked) pot.

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I folded this hand for the reason you've described, I felt that fold/call/raise all had merits

This is a pretty clear call.

Call. It's a small pot, the bet might fold out some of the other players, re-eval turn. I assume you don't have Ad, otherwise you would have specified...?

A close to pot bet on the flop in a limped pot doesn't mean that much. Need to call. Raising seems worse than folding.

If you're going to fold TPTK to a single bet, you might as well just push your cards into the muck preflop and speed up the game for everyone else.

I probably raise this, driving out players behind with random draws and gaining position, and there's a good chance we're ahead at this point but our hand is vulnerable. It would be a small raise, and fold to a 3bet.

Calling with TPTK on a draw heavy board in a limped pot isn't terrible. We could also put in a small raise, with a plan to fold if SB 3B's when the action gets back to him.

Definitely not folding on the flop.

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This is a poor take, imo, very similar to the just as poor "if we're folding sets on the flop, why did we play the small pair preflop?" take. We can see a flop, see what we flop, see what the action is, and then make a decision.

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Call. People will value bet worse here. What the other players do and next and what happens on future streets will reveal more about their hand strength.

lol fair, $3

Thanks for takes everyone, cool discussion

But this board isn't remotely scary and neither is the action. What's the most likely holding here? Surely most likely is an 8?Given the odds SB was getting, that's probably going to include K8o, Q8s, J8s, T8s, 98, 86, probably some offsuit combos, maybe some other suited 8's. Folding to a single bet would be absurd. That doesn't mean facing further pressure down the line, the information picture changes and we find a fold.

If our holding was, say, J8, then yes could convince me into a fold now

to me I got concerned about the player betting in first position/defending the pair I had over three streets

like, i wasn't sure if i could keep calling to repeated raises with just this hand

It's a reasonable thought process, imo. I mean, if there's a decent chance the person who just led out into the world is going to continue on the next street (there is, right?), and we're likely going to fold at that point UI (we are, right?), then we might as well do this now. Add to that the ~PSB first to act into the world should be taken with some respect, and the fact we still have the world behind us to react, it's fine just to bail now on very mediocre hands with very little improvement possibilities in very multiway pots (especially in small rake-ravaged meaningless pots, where the mistake of occasionally folding the best hand will be almost negligible to our overall bottom line).

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Not that we shouldn't be thinking ahead to future streets/decisions, but it's often fine to take each decision as it comes.

Here, I wouldn't be too concerned about what's going to happen on the next two streets when it's a limped / small pot, we've got TPTK, and it's a draw-heavy board that smacks a lot of limpers' ranges. I'd focus more on what to do right now, on the flop, facing this lead from the SB.

Folding here to a single bet on the flop is out of the question. Calling this flop bet is okay. Putting in a small raise, planning to fold to a 3B, is preferable to just calling. We'd like to get some of the other players to fold. Ideally, we'd like to get this heads-up with the SB.

On this flop texture, we can expect to get 3B by any 2P or sets, plus perhaps some combo-draws, like 65dd or T9dd, and occasionally some AXdd hands that limped in for some reason. But facing a bet from the SB and a raise from the BB, a lot of opponents are going to fold a lot of hands with some decent equity, so raising is preferred to calling.

If we raise flop, and we don't get 3B, we'll have the betting lead going to the turn. SB will often check to us. If there are any other players still in the hand, they'll often check-back, and the turn will check through. That's assuming we don't improve our hand with another A or 8 on the turn, and that we wouldn't be betting if the turn is a 3 or another 2.

Otherwise, we can raise flop, and see what happens on the turn and river.