3BP More Bluffs
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NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($393) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 24.1% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.9% | Turn Agg: 33.8% | River Agg: 36.9% | 3Bet: 11.6% | 4Bet: 14.2% | Hands: 308370]
CO ($250.44) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 47.1% | Flop Agg: 42.9% | Turn Agg: 66.7% | River Agg: 25% | 3Bet: 23.1% | Fold to 3Bet: 75% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 36]
BTN ($309.28) [VPIP: 39.4% | PFR: 36.4% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 34]
SB ($205) [VPIP: 17.9% | PFR: 14.3% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 29]
BB ($445.60) [VPIP: 23.1% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 54.5% | Hands: 26]
Dealt to Hero: T♠ 9♠
HERO Raises To $4, CO Raises To $14, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, HERO Calls $10
Hero SPR on Flop: [7.63 effective]
Flop ($31): 4♦ 5♠ T♦
HERO Checks, CO Bets $13 (Rem. Stack: $223.44), HERO Raises To $40.73 (Rem. Stack: $338.27), CO Calls $27.73 (Rem. Stack: $195.71)
Turn ($112.46): 4♦ 5♠ T♦ Q♦
HERO Bets $36.12 (Rem. Stack: $302.15), CO Calls $36.12 (Rem. Stack: $159.59)
River ($184.70): 4♦ 5♠ T♦ Q♦ 2♠
HERO Bets $302.15 (allin)
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Do you think or know that they're capped to 2pair/sets when they just call turn and will overfold the river?
If not, I'm probably just sticking with 76s/87s as my main bluffs.
For me this is more natural to just call flop, not saying raise is bad.
Turn adm river in both streets hand has too much SDV to turn it into a bluff. Pool probably over folds flop and turn, so they end up otr with stronger range. You need folds from hands like KK/AA not sure if that happens enough to start turning hands like this into a bluff.
For me this is more natural to just call flop, not saying raise is bad.
Turn adm river in both streets hand has too much SDV to turn it into a bluff. Pool probably over folds flop and turn, so they end up otr with stronger range. You need folds from hands like KK/AA not sure if that happens enough to start turning hands like this into a bluff.
I understand what you are saying but the argument of they overfold flop/they overfold turn/therefore they have a stronger than GTO range OTR isn't very valid. It might be true but it's irrelevant for the purposes of whether we should bluff or not.
A classic example is just a triple barrel bluff, population literally overfolds flop/overfolds turn. Guess what? They over fold river too.
All that matters is folding frequencies OTR.
Sure if he folds enough better hands than it's fine.
That was kind of my thought as well, but started thinking about it more.
Don't we need to take into account worse hands calling us?
I was looking at some random 3b pots just now. From what I could tell, the solver really doesn't like to use a large size with it's SDV unless it can get called by worse.
There is sometimes that effect. When solver doesn't call linearly, for example if some weak bluff catchers have better blockers than stronger ones or sometimes ott when he folds middle pair with no draw and calls with bottom pair+ draw.
In those cases you'll see solver bet some not so strong hands. There is a bit of that effect in this hand ott you fold out hands like JJ KT and get calls from AKo 99 wtih FD.
There is sometimes that effect. When solver doesn't call linearly, for example if some weak bluff catchers have better blockers than stronger ones or sometimes ott when he folds middle pair with no draw and calls with bottom pair+ draw.
In those cases you'll see solver bet some not so strong hands. There is a bit of that effect in this hand ott you fold out hands like JJ KT and get calls from AKo 99 wtih FD.
Yeah I could see that. I was mostly talking about the river.
Only worse hand that can call river is 99 which is unlikely.
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Nice hand doodoo. This is the biggest weakness in my game. I too often give up on bluffs, especially on the river.
Nice hand doodoo. This is the biggest weakness in my game. I too often give up on bluffs, especially on the river.
Thx, yeah I think the FCT/FCR (flush complete turn/flush complete river) data point is really good for bluffing. I have a hunch it will be well overfolded relative to the aggregate but haven't confirmed yet.
The guy folded hand he suppose to fold.
Solvers are mostly raising flushes on the turn I assume? 65/35?
Ya, pretty close on the river. I think it's +EV, but I like it more on a non-Ignition site.
