Botfarm won $10 Million on WPN
Monitoring the development and profitability of poker bots has become an increasingly challenging task.
Below are my findings related to the bots identified on the Winning Poker Network (WPN).
Botfarm Total Multi-Table Tournament (MTT) Graph:
Botfarm 2023 Year MTT Results:
Botfarm Cash Games NL400+ Since April 1, 2023:
The issue of bot proliferation has been recognized for at least 3.5 years, as discussed in this Botfarm forum thread.
Despite submitting comprehensive reports to the WPN, which unfortunately went unanswered from their security team, I harbor no illusions that they will address the problem. The security service has let down the player community. Therefore, I am reaching out to poker schools, funds, and independent players.
I urge you to examine the hands played by these bots in cash games and MTTs this year, analyze their strategies in training sessions, and actively combat them at the tables. In many games, they constitute a significant portion of the player field, ranging from 5% to 15%.
https://mega.nz/file/tuJwgYYI#2WVRTQ2BB9... - MTT Hands
https://mega.nz/file/0rQzzSZY#WGXy0n1-w4... - Cash Hands
Here are the aliases for Hand2Note 3 that I have compiled. However, I encourage you to verify and draw your own conclusions.
https://mega.nz/file/FuowxARL#7MLoYSwjqx... - Aliases
Currently, Botfarm evolve approximately every 3 months but still employ exploitative tactics, allowing to push back. Given their ability to create over 100+ new accounts per month, eradicating them requires multiple waves of blocking, not just a single sweep. This issue is not exclusive to WPN; evidence suggests that Ignition and GG Poker are already affected. While I lack data from all platforms, it is certain that they will infiltrate wherever there is a lucrative game.
In the end I would like to say that poker is a game of people with each other, not the machines. Interference by machines disrupts the essence of poker. If any room management believes that regular players can be replaced by machines - you are mistaken. In such a scenario, the game would inevitably dwindle or even cease to exist, reaching an untenable scale.
List of MTT Nicknames Part 1:
List of MTT Nicknames Part 2:
List of Cash NL400+ Nicknames:
Im a mtt player on ACR, i dont play cash but i have literally hands vs ALL that guys on ACR, some guys i have 100 or 200 hands, others i have 1000 and 2000. Thats not a big amount but i tried to find something on some guys that i have a bigger sample like 1000 or 2000 hands, still not big sample but i filtered for highest bb/100 on database and after that put the players on sharkscope.
You found some patterns and when I was trying to find the way they played i didnt check all players but i saw exactly the same things (i didnt check all stufs like you), they open a lot MP BTN and CO, they overfold vs 3bet in all positions, overfold vs cbet, high float.
I remember when i saw some hands they checked IP on turn some hands that are clear bets for value and i had the feeling that they try to keep the pot small, and im thinking if they try to exploit pre flop mostly. And if could be a reason for that stat "bet river IP or OOP", i dont know.
One thing that is important is that we have guys on that list that are losing players like chipanddale 50k down, jashielle 40k down, smugglig 40k down, kyojin 50k down.
And other important thing is that they are players from different countries so if the "bot" (imputs) is different when you analyse all data maybe you mix stats and create some noise on that data. So i dont agree with people that say "its not important where they live or what is the country"
I dont have time to check all hands and players but as i said i identified guys with more than 1k hands (no big sample but its what i have), filtered by highest bb/100 and sharkscope
I picked 4 or 5 guys to this example and i believe that theyre for the same region
Providance
rovervelar
vowshoy
riderofghost
razter
As you said we have normal patterns like you fold to 3bet more because people dont 3bet in certain positions, but i cant understand if you fold cbet more than you should because in reality people cbet more than they should in abi 32 i guess, and if youre good youre able to play better on later streets so you dont want overfold to cbet.
Again i feel like they dont wanna play pos flop
This hand could be a missclick or its weird, how is it possible, a guy like providance with that sharkscope graph shove J8o on BTN with 16.2 big blinds? the 2 villains on left are not tight. And if you want to exploit the overfold of blinds you want to open raise not shove J8o. it was really weird.
I have 125k hands on these scums. I find many more weird stats then presented here by anton. Also didn't play only against 12 players from this list.
Hi! I am a co-founder of FiatLab backing fund. Few months ago it was brought to our attention, that there is a possibility of a group of bot accounts on WPN. Here is the information our analytical department managed to collect, hope it helps the community.
Do you know what is the winrate bb/100 of regs vs bots? i wonder if they manage to wins also vs regs
Interested to hear Tyler's update tomorrow. I was curious what the metric for an account being inactive was? Haven't played for how long exactly?
It seems like all the cashgame NL bots are gone at least
Do you know what is the winrate bb/100 of regs vs bots? i wonder if they manage to wins also vs regs
My guese is yes. Im talking about cash games. IMO WPN bots are better than avg nl100 reg. More agressive and well balanced pre and postflop.
[QUOTE=ggbruuce]It seems like all the cashgame NL bots are gone at least[/QUOTE]
Naa, they play lower stakes now.
Hello,
After reviewing the January hands and the Fiatlab list in Multi-Table Tournaments (MTTs), I can confirm that the listed accounts align with the botfarm strategy. The list includes a mix of new nicknames and those presented by Anton Marcus:
I have updated my Sharkscope alias "!botfarm_WPN" and made it public. The total MTT damage as of January 19, 2024, is approximately $10 million, plus rakeback (~$6 million total rake).
For those interested, here is the total MTT alias for Hand2Note:
https://mega.nz/file/yhk03RoQ#9L1hV9VaLt...
I have also examined low-stakes cash games (NL50-NL200) and cross-checked the list of "10najkrajsi," found in the 7th post of the topic. I can confirm that the listed accounts align with the botfarm strategy, including a mix of new and "10najkrajsi" presented nicknames:
For those interested, here is the total Cash alias for Hand2Note:
https://mega.nz/file/Og8xSbrI#85d9m_dta4...
In positive news, WPN Security is swiftly progressing through the 5 stages of grief — denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. Finally they have initiated the process of blocking bots from the game.
I did not anticipate such success from the forum topic, but it appears that we are making significant strides toward victory. I informed the security team that it is likely another 5-10 waves of bans will be necessary to prevent new Botfarm account registrations. The fact that the initial waves of bans have already commenced is a promising sign.
To celebrate our progress in the fight against bots, you can send a donation to my wallets. Your support would be greatly appreciated!
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Hello,
After reviewing the January hands and the Fiatlab list in Multi-Table Tournaments (MTTs), I can confirm that the listed accounts align with the botfarm strategy. The list includes a mix of new nicknames and those presented by Anton Marcus:
I have updated my Sharkscope alias "!botfarm_WPN" and made it public. The total MTT damage as of January 19, 2024, is approximately $10 million, plus rakeback (~$6 million total rake).
For those interested, here is the total MTT alias for Hand2Note:
Did you have direct contact with the ACR Security team? How did the conversation go? Did you have the feeling they thought there were no bots on the site or did they just try not to lose face?
Thank you very much for your service! I'm gonna check if I have some BTC still lying around to send your way.
Did you have direct contact with the ACR Security team? How did the conversation go? Did you have the feeling they thought there were no bots on the site or did they just try not to lose face?
Rob Kuhn says they are trying hard all the week to resolve the problem.
Yesterday evening the number of active bots has gone down. According to shark i see ~300 entries yesterday, usually 1400-1500 enries per day. So I assume they start removing process.
When can we expect refunds? Why WPN no longer update list of banned accounts for botting/RTA on their website?
When can we expect refunds? Why WPN no longer update list of banned accounts for botting/RTA on their website?
This is the thing. It's great news that they are banning the bots at last but your refund will be miniscule.
I lost my ass on WPN last year (and nowhere else) and I'll get a refund of something insulting like $27 or something.
The community is owed millions, and they'll get a pittance.
This hand could be a missclick or its weird, how is it possible, a guy like providance with that sharkscope graph shove J8o on BTN with 16.2 big blinds? the 2 villains on left are not tight. And if you want to exploit the overfold of blinds you want to open raise not shove J8o. it was really weird.
It's not a misclick, the bots are not GTO. I have a bot 3b/c off for 50bbs AJo SB-MP and other examples, check my posts #365 and #366 ITT if you like.
The bots' algorithm was written many years ago before the advent of solvers and is designed to win against loose/passive low/mid stakes players. Shoving J8o on 16bbs otb is probably +cEV at low ABI MTTs, it certainly can't be a large mistake or significantly worse than r/f.
I can see from TylerRM and Anton's posts that there are also bots regging higher stakes, and I would have to assume those strategies are more advanced, but I only speak to my experience with the ABI $40 bots.
Well you see, the network has already cashed out 15 million so WPN could only recover 1 million and 200,000 of that has to go to the admin expense for dealing with the situation, plus 30% for taxes so the best we can do is 500,000$ split among 12,000 accounts
Thanks for the update. I cross checked the new list and Anton's list and for the most part they align (maybe a couple of names Anton had that you didn't).
It looks like there's just under about 300 active bots for MTTs unless some from the initial accounts listed as active have been banned. It would be great if you could share an updated list of active/inactive when appropriate.
I was curious what metric you used to deem whether an account was active/inactive exactly? Haven't played for x days?
semi grunching so dont know if this got posted here but acr put out a blog the other day
I was curious what metric you used to deem whether an account was active/inactive exactly? Haven't played for x days?
I marked red nicknames not have hands since middle of 2023 - at least 9 month inactive. I have been keeping these lists for much longer, several years. So these were the nicknames that I noted earlier, but now realize they already stop playing.
Admin, give me rights to Edit 1st post.
semi grunching so dont know if this got posted here but acr put out a blog the other day
Actions, accountability, and refunds>>> empty talk and PR statements.
Btw, last night I didnt meet anyone from the list at the $88 40K Gtd.
Maybe they cleaned the bots after all...
List of blitz200 bots that have been active lately:
Reelest
Irradiant
Tailspi
dermet
Avantella
Azajairo
IIIin01z
Htiek9
DragFlyOn
