So I have a Set
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NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($251.69) [VPIP: 28.9% | PFR: 24.1% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.8% | Turn Agg: 33.8% | River Agg: 36.9% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 14.2% | Hands: 310003]
BB ($216.57) [VPIP: 22.2% | PFR: 19.4% | AGG: 42.9% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 75% | River Agg: 33.3% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 7.1% | Hands: 38]
HJ ($87.21) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 11.4% | AGG: 23.1% | Hands: 35]
CO ($81.60) [VPIP: 30.8% | PFR: 23.1% | AGG: 36.4% | Hands: 28]
BTN ($197) [VPIP: 61.5% | PFR: 61.5% | AGG: 16.7% | Hands: 13]
Dealt to Hero: 6♣ 6♠
HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $6, BB Calls $4
Hero SPR on Flop: [17.55 effective]
Flop ($12): J♣ A♣ 4♥
HERO Checks, BB Bets $2.80 (Rem. Stack: $207.77), HERO Calls $2.80 (Rem. Stack: $242.89)
Turn ($17.60): J♣ A♣ 4♥ 6♥
HERO Checks, BB Bets $8.20 (Rem. Stack: $199.57), HERO Raises To $45.10 (Rem. Stack: $197.79), BB Calls $36.90 (Rem. Stack: $162.67)
River ($107.80): J♣ A♣ 4♥ 6♥ 8♣
HERO Bets $34.58 (Rem. Stack: $163.21), BB Raises To $162.67 (allin), HERO ?
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Probably fold against someone who uses 1/2 pot on this turn. Not sure if I'd use the small size on the river.
I'd call unless I was sure that vilain was a passive station. What flush does he have here besides 75? Broadways 3bet pre, turn is a bit too big for anything else to call.
Probably fold against someone who uses 1/2 pot on this turn. Not sure if I'd use the small size on the river.
Good catch, I realized later that I was missing a critical element to this hand and it has to do with that 1/2 pot turn bet but maybe not in the way you think.
I'll see if someone figures out what I'm talking about it, if not I'll tell in a bit and post results.
Just thinking out loud, happy to be wrong and learn something.
Float flop followed by B50 OTT is overbluffed. Most of villain's bluffs will be flush draws, and they are more likely to float the BDFD and raise their FDFD on the flop. Which weights their bluffs on the turn to hearts.
Hearts missed.
Call.
Sets, air, 2p, and 1p hands no draw, don't make a lot of sense because of the flop and turn. Maybe he has them sometimes, but I think the turn is almost always some kind club draw because of the bet size. Could be some kind of heart draw, but I don't think a (probably) weaker player is going to come up with enough bluff jams here or in any other spot where there was a raise earlier in the hand.
Just thinking out loud, happy to be wrong and learn something.
Float flop followed by B50 OTT is overbluffed. Most of villain's bluffs will be flush draws, and they are more likely to float the BDFD and raise their FDFD on the flop. Which weights their bluffs on the turn to hearts.
Hearts missed.
Call.
He bet flop though.
I think the most important part of the hand is that he is a fish. And what is one of the most important thing's fish don't do that regs do well?
We don't know 100% but it is more likely he has fish tendencies postflop because:
1. Flop stab sizing is not a thing - you go huge or check.
2. Turn is a bet bigger spot
I think if we combine both of those he is either a very weak reg or has fishy tendencies. This has huge implications for whether we call river or not imo.
We don't know 100% but it is more likely he has fish tendencies postflop because:
1. Flop stab sizing is not a thing - you go huge or check.
2. Turn is a bet bigger spot
I think if we combine both of those he is either a very weak reg or has fishy tendencies. This has huge implications for whether we call river or not imo.
How many regs are overbet stabbing flop? Maybe less than fish? 25-33% seems pretty reg-y too.
I'm guessing you didn't have the VPIP-PFR sample when this was played.
Just cbet flop for 1/4. No one calls enough in this spot. Hands like Tc9h are pure calls for IP. Once you face a bet otf this is very close to a fold. Solver is finding a lot of air type hands like T9o T8o 56o and imo most players just bet too much Ax and draw type of hands while missing those air component.
Turn and river are fine. You could go smaller ott as an expolit this sizing looks weak like Ax getting ready to check river.
He has reg stats so unless you seem him using weird sizing preflop. I would assume he is some type of reg.
Just cbet flop for 1/4. No one calls enough in this spot. Hands like Tc9h are pure calls for IP. Once you face a bet otf this is very close to a fold. Solver is finding a lot of air type hands like T9o T8o 56o and imo most players just bet too much Ax and draw type of hands while missing those air component.
Turn and river are fine. You could go smaller ott as an expolit this sizing looks weak like Ax getting ready to check river.
He has reg stats so unless you seem him using weird sizing preflop
Regs stab close to GTO in general and the guy stabbed under 25% pot. I haven't filtered for Ace high boards vs stabs but the flop sizing just makes it always a call imo, especially with a club. I try to play GTO OTF so I don't just range because people overfold, I prefer to use exploits later in the hand when the pot is bigger.
The river is the important part of the hand. What do you do OTR?
How many regs are overbet stabbing flop? Maybe less than fish? 25-33% seems pretty reg-y too.
I'm guessing you didn't have the VPIP-PFR sample when this was played.
It's true, it's more the turn sizing or basically the flop + turn sizing combined.
Yeah I didn't have much of a sample at the time, can't remember how many hands but it was low.
Regs stab close to GTO in general and the guy stabbed under 25% pot. I haven't filtered for Ace high boards vs stabs but the flop sizing just makes it always a call imo, especially with a club. I try to play GTO OTF so I don't just range because people overfold, I prefer to use exploits later in the hand when the pot is bigger.
The river is the important part of the hand. What do you do OTR?
I thought he used 1/2 otf for some reason. Fodling river seems good
Interesting the discussion about his half pot turn size.
Heres what it says to me. I have at least clubs and maybe something more like 75cc, 74cc, 45cc, etc and i dont want to bet big on a draw but i dont mind if you raise so i bet half pot to have a cheap shot at taking it down now.
I believe him and fold.
Why block river? Isn't this a great BC?
We don't know 100% but it is more likely he has fish tendencies postflop because:
1. Flop stab sizing is not a thing - you go huge or check.
2. Turn is a bet bigger spot
I think if we combine both of those he is either a very weak reg or has fishy tendencies. This has huge implications for whether we call river or not imo.
lol - you call every other player a fish in every of your posts, its just ridiculous.
You think you know everything like what sizes are right or wrong and if someone deviates he/she is a fish.
You are a bad player because you have no feeling for the game. You learn all things by heart but you have no idea why a specific bet size is used or what you should do if someone uses a different bet size.
If you would be the shark within these fishy pool you would just play and print money and not posting 15k hands and calling everybody a fish.
lol - you call every other player a fish in every of your posts, its just ridiculous.
You think you know everything like what sizes are right or wrong and if someone deviates he/she is a fish.
You are a bad player because you have no feeling for the game. You learn all things by heart but you have no idea why a specific bet size is used or what you should do if someone uses a different bet size.
If you would be the shark within these fishy pool you would just play and print money and not posting 15
My #1 fan Kendoo! What's up buddy. Always appreciate your feedback.
Okay results, I still struggle with putting myself into the mindset of a fish but this is the most important part of the hand imo.
What do regs do very well that fish do terribly?
Results
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NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($251.69) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 24.1% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.8% | Turn Agg: 33.9% | River Agg: 36.9% | 3Bet: 11.6% | 4Bet: 14.2% | Hands: 310793]
BB ($216.57) [VPIP: 22.2% | PFR: 19.4% | AGG: 42.9% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 75% | River Agg: 33.3% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 7.1% | Hands: 38]
HJ ($87.21) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 11.4% | AGG: 23.1% | Hands: 35]
CO ($81.60) [VPIP: 30.8% | PFR: 23.1% | AGG: 36.4% | Hands: 28]
BTN ($197) [VPIP: 61.5% | PFR: 61.5% | AGG: 16.7% | Hands: 13]
Dealt to Hero: 6♣ 6♠
HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $6, BB Calls $4
Hero SPR on Flop: [17.55 effective]
Flop ($12): J♣ A♣ 4♥
HERO Checks, BB Bets $2.80 (Rem. Stack: $207.77), HERO Calls $2.80 (Rem. Stack: $242.89)
Turn ($17.60): J♣ A♣ 4♥ 6♥
HERO Checks, BB Bets $8.20 (Rem. Stack: $199.57), HERO Raises To $45.10 (Rem. Stack: $197.79), BB Calls $36.90 (Rem. Stack: $162.67)
River ($107.80): J♣ A♣ 4♥ 6♥ 8♣
HERO Bets $34.58 (Rem. Stack: $163.21), BB Raises To $162.67 (allin), HERO Calls $128.09 (Rem. Stack: $35.12)