Biden's middle ground Title IX rules on trans inclusion in sport

Biden's middle ground Title IX rules on trans inclusion in sport

Biden's new education department policy would overturn the apparently 19 states that have complete bans on trans inclusion in sport. https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/...

“The proposed rule would establish that policies violate Title IX when they categorically ban transgender students from participating on sports teams consistent with their gender identity just because of who they are,” according to a public notice from the US Department of Education.

“The proposed rule also recognizes that in some instances, particularly in competitive high school and college athletic environments, some schools may adopt policies that limit transgender students’ participation,” it continued.

It's actually a somewhat interesting middle ground in my view. Yes, it fights against the GOP's massive anti-lgbt push (over 400 bills introduced and counting: https://politicalwire.com/2023/04/06/rec...), particularly on the blanket bans on trans people in school sports. However, the bill crucially allows bans on trans people, they just can't be blanket bans. For example in competitive sports or college sports, schools could still adopt these bans. And this is rather a step back from what initial suggestion by Biden was initially suggesting, and really opens the door for these types of restrictions to be commonplace

Politically, I think it is somewhat smart. I think a centrist perspective that focuses - as I commonly have in the various trans threads - on thinking about most normal children playing sports with their friends in highschool as the priority and less so a sort of state level championship where the winners get scholarships or whatever is simply going to be thought of as more reasonable by more people than either extreme.

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Watch a previous NBC4 report on H.B. 68 in the video player above.

COLUMBUS, Ohio (WCMH) — A bill to ban transgender athletes’ participation in women’s sports is at odds with an Ohio High School Athletic Association policy that is allowing fewer than 10 trans athletes to take part this school year.

House Bill 68 would bar all trans students from taking part in female athletics and revoke the OHSAA’s trans-athlete policy, a measure that provides a step-by-step process for a trans student to request participation. The policy states trans girls must complete a minimum of one year of hormone treatment and demonstrate, by way of “sound medical evidence,” that she does not possess physical advantages.

Gov. Mike DeWine vetoed H.B. 68, which would also prohibit Ohio’s children’s hospitals from providing gender-affirming care to trans minors, in late December. Still, the Ohio House voted to reverse DeWine’s decision earlier this month, and the Senate is expected to follow suit on Jan. 24.

“Millions of women and little girls in Ohio are looking to the Statehouse and saying, ‘Are you going to protect the integrity of women’s sports? Are you going to allow me, as a woman, to compete on a level playing field in Ohio?'” said Rep. Jena Powell (R-Arcanum).

However, the OHSAA, which said about 400,000 athletes in grades 7-12 participate in its sanctioned sports each year, asserts its policy is effective in protecting the integrity of girls’ sports while also providing participation opportunities for trans students. Seven trans girls are participating in high school sports during the 2023-24 school year, while six took part during the 2022-23 school year.

“H.B. 68 would have a direct impact on the OHSAA’s transgender policy, which has been in place since 2015 and has served our member schools to provide participation opportunities for transgender students without putting biological females at a competitive disadvantage,” the association said. “The OHSAA will continue to advocate for our policy and support of all student-athletes and await the outcome of the Senate’s decision.


Republicans focusing on wedge culture issues attacking, uh, checking notes, seven trans kids?


by uke_master k

Republicans focusing on wedge culture issues attacking, uh, checking notes, seven trans kids?

From the quote it sounds like both parties support the idea of all 400k student athletes having the ability to play the sport(s) they want. The difference is repubs want to protect the ~200k girls who want a safe and even playing field and dems want to protect the 7 who prefer to play with those they have a competitive edge against.

I think anytime a politician favors the 7 over the 200,000 we need to ask them which one of the 3 options below best fit their attitude about women sports:

by bahbahmickey k

1) there are no differences between men and women in sports, 2) there is a difference between men and women in sports but bottom surgery and hormones make men and women perfectly even on the playing field or 3) men and women are different in sports but who cares women sports are boring anyways and this is the perfect excuse to get rid of them?


If we divide by sex what sense does it make to make gender based complaints?


Making sports participation mandatory would double the number of athletes and make all these issues irrelevant.


by jjjou812 k

Making sports participation mandatory would double the number of athletes and make all these issues irrelevant.

I don't see how that would remove the controversy over what team a trans female should play in.

Getting rid of all competitive sports would actually make them all irrelevant though.




I Hope this isn’t surprising to anyone regardless the side of the issue you are on.


Why in the world would a woman be playing in the female league when she is a male?

It makes zero sense. Its why the jews are doing a holocaust on gaza. Its the same logic.


John Daly is a legend!



I still can’t tell if they are saying the guy with huge boobs and wearing floral pants is feminine or not.


Its only for sadistic reasons a person would argue that a male that is a woman should be allowed to play professional womans golf but from the woman's and not the men's tees. Handicapped system and ur good to go (thats like a strange negative double entendre)


even if the trans golfer had to tee off from the mens tees, she would still win every single tournament, the edge is indeed that great


by rickroll k

even if the trans golfer had to tee off from the mens tees, she would still win every single tournament, the edge is indeed that great

Thats not full fair spirit...you have to answer with the consideration of the scenario where the handicap evens out the advantage. Then you can say 'id be fine with that, but lia thomas is an undeserving narcissist dude.'.


by jbouton k

Thats not full fair spirit...you have to answer with the consideration of the scenario where the handicap evens out the advantage. Then you can say 'id be fine with that, but lia thomas is an undeserving narcissist dude.'.

the handicap does not even things out though - it's a half measure even for average skill level amateurs done as a courtesy to make it easier but still doesn't come anywhere close to closing the gap

on average, men can drive the ball 50+ yards further than a woman, the distance in tees is not nearly that distance and that's not the only area of advantage, men are better at women in all facets of golf, not just driving distance

that driver gap becomes even larger once you start isolating to top male and top female golfers ie college and upwards

also, the men in the pga play on significantly more difficult courses than the women play on so it's apples to oranges in comparing their stats - even if they played on the same course, those courses are always made significantly harder whenever the pga shows up - so much that a club member who normally golfs an 85 will golf 100+ after the modifications are made for the week the pga is in town

it's not even close, we've had one single instance where a female golfed with the men in a pga event (last year in vegas) and although she was not competitive, the mere fact that she didn't embarrass herself was considered a huge accomplishment

any guy in the pga or even the lower level korn ferry tour would absolutely steamroll the lpga if they wanted to do that - i doubt we'll get pga members doing that because there's far more money in the pga - but i can definitely see some fringe lower tier tour members like those barely scraping by and living in an rv doing the korn ferry tour playing in the lpga and just crushing


50 yr old male professor--identifying as a 15 yr old girl--is not only able to swim on a all-girls club swim team, but also change and shower with the 13-15 yr old girls. DISGUSTING!

https://x.com/scarlett4kids/status/17498...


i'd hold off on treating that as legit until the source of the news is something other than a twitter account who's entire existence is stating there are only 2 genders


WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Thursday allowed a 12-year-old transgender girl in West Virginia to continue competing on her middle school’s girls sports teams while a lawsuit over a state ban continues.

The justices refused to disturb an appeals court order that made it possible for the girl, Becky Pepper-Jackson, to continue playing on her school’s track and cross-country teams, where she regularly finishes near the back of the pack.

Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas would have allowed West Virginia to enforce its law against Pepper-Jackson.

Pepper-Jackson is in the middle of the outdoor track season. She had filed a lawsuit challenging the law, the Save Women’s Sports Act, which West Virginia lawmakers adopted in 2021. A federal appeals court had allowed her to compete while she appealed a lower court ruling that upheld the West Virginia law.

In an emailed statement issued by the ACLU’s West Virginia chapter to The Associated Press on Thursday night, Pepper-Jackson said: “I am so happy that the Supreme Court saw that this stay was not an emergency. I still get to play with my friends and teammates on the track team. That’s all I want to do, be with my friends and be the girl that I am.”

The high court announcement came the same day the Biden administration proposed a new rule that would prevent schools and colleges from enacting outright bans on transgender athletes, but would allow certain exceptions to promote fairness or reduce injuries.


by jjjou812 k

The high court announcement came the same day the Biden administration proposed a new rule that would prevent schools and colleges from enacting outright bans on transgender athletes, but would allow certain exceptions to promote fairness or reduce injuries.

Wouldn't a school saying we aren't banning transgender athletes from competing as they are all welcome to compete in the open/men's teams check the box that they aren't outright banning people? I thought this is what they already were doing and therefore no school was outright banning anyone.


At the very beginning, I knew Becky was different from her brothers. She started questioning her clothing at age 3. Her mannerisms were more feminine She’d take my shirts and wear them as dresses as she twirled around. She would also ask me to do her makeup, put bows in her hair, and want to wear pink a lot.

Undoing decades of feminism, one social fad at a time.

"Do not put me in a box, patriarchy! Your ancient social rules and norms do not define me!" - Feminists

"I like bows in my hair and the color pink! Teehee! I'm a girl!" - This kid, clearly not a girl

"Get me 10 mg Estradiol, STAT!" - ACLU doctor

I know I'm not on crazy pills and am not the only one that sees how diametrically opposed a traditional feminists approach to achieving equality is to this whole transgenderism debacle.

If Chadwick over here was slaughtering these 13 year old girls, my guess is this story turns out differently. Boys go through puberty later than girls do, and this kid is playing the long game.


Becky is now into shot put and the discus. Watch out, ladies.


by rickroll k

i'd hold off on treating that as legit until the source of the news is something other than a twitter account who's entire existence is stating there are only 2 genders

But there are only 2 genders, so what’s the problem?


by wsopfinaltable k

But there are only 2 genders, so what’s the problem?

i'm saying that account has no accountability and a clear and obvious agenda

unless some actual journalists report it - which they assuredly would - then it's all fake

so many conservative publications would champ at the bit to put that story on the front page... yet oddly they aren't because it's probably not real


The Ohio Senate voted Wednesday to override Republican Gov. Mike DeWine’s veto of a bill that bans transition-related medical care for transgender minors and restricts trans athletes’ participation on school sports teams.

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