Flop a flush. River brings a 4-flush. OOP.
EDIT: I made a typo. I didn’t flop a flush. I flopped trips.
Game is $2-$100 spread-limit. Villain has $200 I cover. Just sat down, first orbit.
I raise 5c4c UTG to $10 and get 4 callers.
Flop: Qs4s4d (pot: $50)
Blinds check, I bet $35, V in UTG1 calls, everyone else folds.
Turn: Qs4s4d 7s (pot: $120, heads-up) I bet $60, Villain calls.
RIVER: Qs4s4d 7s 2s (pot: $240)
V has $100 left, action on us, what do we do?
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fold pre quick
bet 100 otr to get called by a big Qx
Edit: I missed the 4th spade otr so it will depend on the villain, I usually like block betting small in these spots or just c/f. He's hardly betting w/o a flush.
Fold preflop.
This feels like it has too much showdown value to bluff. I would check-fold, expecting to win a decent amount
Fold pre
Check/fold river
Fold pf. Smaller on turn, check fold river.
There is no reason you need to open this hand utg in the games you are playing.
Honestly you could probably just open premiums only from all positions and print money in your game.
Like all the mixed frequency bluff hands you see in GTO charts you could literally just remove all of them.
You're probably leaking so much money opening too wide from these early positions.
These spread limit games seem to play more like limit games, vis-a-vis how many people call the opening raise.
Curious if other players opening the same size get the same number of callers. Is it possible opponents have you pegged as an aggro-fish, and are calling your raises lighter?
PRE - Seems like you should be tightening your opening range from all positions, and opening larger.
FLOP - As played, if I flop trip 4's after raising UTG with 54s, on this Q-high, two-tone board, I'm betting pot. Screw all these a-holes who called my pre-flop raise light. Pray someone has a Qx hand and wants to raise.
TURN - keep betting. Probably 2/3 pot or full pot. V has a ton of Qx in his range that will call. We don't mind if he folds his hands with one spade. Pray he hasn't turned the flush.
RIVER - Yuck. Check-fold. Pray he checks back.
Pre is way too wide unless you expected everyone to fold. Flop and turn are fine. River is a check/fold.
I raise 5c4c UTG to $10 and get 4 callers.
Flop: Qs4s4d (pot: $50)
Blinds check, I bet $35, V in UTG1 calls, everyone else folds.
Turn: Qs4s4d 7s (pot: $120, heads-up) I bet $60, Villain calls.
RIVER: Qs4s4d 7s 2s (pot: $240)
V has $100 left, action on us, what do we do?
RESULT: I decided I wasn’t going to check-fold my hand with that price ($100 to win $340.) So since if I was beat I was going to lose $100 more anyway, I decided the best way to lose it would be to bet it myself. I thought there was a good chance he would call if he had a hand like KQ no spade, and a tiiiiiiiny chance he might fold a hand that’s beating me (6s5s, Ac4x, etc).
SHOWDOWN: Villain snap-called with Q4 for a flopped boat.
Hey just so you know villain was all in. I don't think that's been mentioned yet.
Check fold is fine, people at 1-2 probably aren’t turning QT into a bluff.
I think we have to balance that against the possibility that he will call the River with a 2-pair hand, though. Obviously this is LLSNL and hand-ranges are mostly out the window, but he really shouldn’t have many QxJs type of hands here—he should have a lot more QhJh (ie, suited Queens) that hate life on the River but probably need to call.
I think we have to balance that against the possibility that he will call the River with a 2-pair hand, though. Obviously this is LLSNL and hand-ranges are mostly out the window, but he really shouldn’t have many QxJs type of hands here—he should have a lot more QhJh (ie, suited Queens) that hate life on the River but probably need to call.
I would guess most people are folding top pair no spade. Here we are discussing folding trips no spade.
