BvB Battle
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NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($255.58) [VPIP: 28.9% | PFR: 24.1% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.7% | Turn Agg: 33.8% | River Agg: 37% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 14.2% | Cold Call: 9.2% | Hands: 312090]
CO ($246.37) [VPIP: 28.6% | PFR: 23.2% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 57]
BTN ($216.45) [VPIP: 27.5% | PFR: 21.6% | AGG: 37.5% | Hands: 54]
SB ($200) [VPIP: 36.4% | PFR: 36.4% | AGG: 100% | Flop Agg: 100% | Turn Agg: 100% | River Agg: 100% | 3Bet: 33.3% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 11]
Dealt to Hero: Q♠ 4♠
CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $6, HERO Calls $4
Hero SPR on Flop: [16.17 effective]
Flop ($12): Q♥ T♥ 7♣
SB Bets $3.76 (Rem. Stack: $190.24), HERO Calls $3.76 (Rem. Stack: $245.82)
Turn ($19.52): Q♥ T♥ 7♣ 3♦
SB Bets $27.82 (Rem. Stack: $162.42), HERO Calls $27.82 (Rem. Stack: $218)
River ($75.16): Q♥ T♥ 7♣ 3♦ 2♥
SB Bets $56.12 (Rem. Stack: $106.30), HERO ?
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I see no reason to call that, and we're asking a Bonition clown to fold 2p+ if we raise. Easy fold for me.
Fold.
It's fine bluff catcher. Maybe even pure call in theory unblocking all bluffs and blocking some value.
I don't like when they OB and 2/3, think that tends to be value.
Raising is not good because we block hands that fold.
Good sizing by him. Probably pretty neutral between call / fold. What do the solvies say?
I must be a nit. Why are we even calling ott? Can't we just call with our draws and hands that block 2 pair + sets?
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Good Intuition, it's exactly 0EV in a solver.
What are your general thought's vs this sizing structure and flush complete river?
😉 You keep saying that, but believe it or not with the proper approach, equity and range training in poker, you will very rarely be surprised by the results in a solver.
My general river thoughts are I call in neutral EV spots on sites I can build history w/ opponents (because information is +EV), and fold on sites like Ignition. The flush completing helps his range more than yours, so I like a fold. The sizing itself generally indicates a made hand slightly more than a bluff, as bluffs would size up a bit more to ensure a Qx fold. In this specific hand, he's obviously going to have a lot of missed straight draws, but again, those would generally size up a little more.
😉 You keep saying that, but believe it or not with the proper approach, equity and range training in poker, you will very rarely be surprised by the results in a solver.
My general river thoughts are I call in neutral EV spots on sites I can build history w/ opponents (because information is +EV), and fold on sites like Ignition. The flush completing helps his range more than yours, so I like a fold. The sizing itself generally indicates a made hand slightly more than a bluff, as bluffs would s
A counter point to this is global bluffing frequencies are 2%-3% higher on Ignition than other sites specifically because it is anonymous and you can't build history with your opponents.
One thing I've been really focusing on lately is how nuanced the game is, you can have very similar spots on the surface that are very different when you look at population data.
A counter point to this is global bluffing frequencies are 2%-3% higher on Ignition than other sites specifically because it is anonymous and you can't build history with your opponents.
One thing I've been really focusing on lately is how nuanced the game is, you can have very similar spots on the surface that are very different when you look at population data.
Ya, I agree with that. Is that what your MDA data says? I might even think it's a bit higher. I def don't hate a call there at all. I'm pretty stationy on the river at that site personally.
For me it's hard because they can be overbluffing if they primarly focus on draws for bluffs due to the number of gutshots and oesd's but still imagine the OB is underbluffed? I think I'd fold most of the time but could call rarely. What was the result?
For me it's hard because they can be overbluffing if they primarly focus on draws for bluffs due to the number of gutshots and oesd's but still imagine the OB is underbluffed? I think I'd fold most of the time but could call rarely. What was the result?
Results
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NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($255.58) [VPIP: 28.9% | PFR: 24.1% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.7% | Turn Agg: 33.8% | River Agg: 37% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 14.2% | Cold Call: 9.2% | Hands: 312872]
CO ($246.37) [VPIP: 28.6% | PFR: 23.2% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 57]
BTN ($216.45) [VPIP: 27.5% | PFR: 21.6% | AGG: 37.5% | Hands: 54]
SB ($200) [VPIP: 36.4% | PFR: 36.4% | AGG: 100% | Flop Agg: 100% | Turn Agg: 100% | River Agg: 100% | 3Bet: 33.3% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 11]
Dealt to Hero: Q♠ 4♠
CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $6, HERO Calls $4
Hero SPR on Flop: [16.17 effective]
Flop ($12): Q♥ T♥ 7♣
SB Bets $3.76 (Rem. Stack: $190.24), HERO Calls $3.76 (Rem. Stack: $245.82)
Turn ($19.52): Q♥ T♥ 7♣ 3♦
SB Bets $27.82 (Rem. Stack: $162.42), HERO Calls $27.82 (Rem. Stack: $218)
River ($75.16): Q♥ T♥ 7♣ 3♦ 2♥
SB Bets $56.12 (Rem. Stack: $106.30), HERO Calls $56.12 (Rem. Stack: $161.88)
Spoiler
SB shows: 8♣ 9♠
HERO wins: $184.40
Going to deep dive this spot in my PGC but no the aggregate is overbluffed. But that's not even the important point, it's understanding exactly why this runout is a call and other similar ones are not.
lots of natural bluffs
AJ
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K9
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J8
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Results
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker Tracking Software
NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($255.58) [VPIP: 28.9% | PFR: 24.1% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.7% | Turn Agg: 33.8% | River Agg: 37% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 14.2% | Cold Call: 9.2% | Hands: 312872]
CO ($246.37) [VPIP: 28.6% | PFR: 23.2% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 57]
BTN ($216.45) [VPIP: 27.5% | PFR: 21.6% | AGG: 37.5% | Hands: 54]
SB ($200)
I think sizing MDA on bluffs for runouts w/ lots of missed draws is good data to have in your back pocket. He didn't size his very well... obviously. If he pots it, do you also call?
I think sizing MDA on bluffs for runouts w/ lots of missed draws is good data to have in your back pocket. He didn't size his very well... obviously. If he pots it, do you also call?
Oh I thought you liked his sizing scheme?
In game I'm not sure what I would of done vs B100, probably call because I'm a bit stationy. After looking at the data though, I was surprised to learn that B100 is more overbluffed than B70.
Oh I thought you liked his sizing scheme?
In game I'm not sure what I would of done vs B100, probably call because I'm a bit stationy. After looking at the data though, I was surprised to learn that B100 is more overbluffed than B70.
GTO sizing, yes. Anonymous site trying to bluff you and push you off TP, no.
