Who's more valuable for patriots: Belichick or Brady?
With Belichick going 11-5 when Brady went down in 2008 and now 3-0 without Brady and Gronk and now Jimmy, it's time to wonder if Belichick is more valuable to this franchise. What do you guys think?
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Belichick has now coached 180 games without Brady - that's 11+ seasons.
He's at 80-100. 44.4% winning percentage, one playoff win. He's had a top 8 offense exactly once in those 11 seasons.
Belichick is now tied with Chip Kelly for winning percentage without Tom Brady.
Some coaches who've won more than 44.4% of their games without Tom Brady:
Zac Taylor
Joe Philbin
Jerry Glanville
Dan Campbell
Ray Rhodes
Lovie Smith
Rex Ryan
With a poor start to next season, he'll fall behind Sam Wyche and Tony Sparano.
How much will the 84-103 or whatever it is without Brady hurt his legacy? Certainly not a small sample. My guess is not much because no one really cares who the best coaches of all time are. It isn't like there is a Vince Lombardi or Don Shula twitter contingent ready to celebrate his demise. Or emerging Andy Reid truthers. The only reason it is even discussed is usually as a way to diminish great players that got the benefit of being coached by them compared to others that didn't.
But it will be 1 of those things that gets brought up in the discussion around his career, similar to how it is hard to talk how great Manning is without bringing up his playoff record or struggles.
I think his failings post-Brady probably just re-center the conversation around jims and joes vs Xs and Os though. That is the last time you will have people thinking the coach is more valuable than the best player on an elite team for a long time.
How much will the 84-103 or whatever it is without Brady hurt his legacy? Certainly not a small sample. My guess is not much because no one really cares who the best coaches of all time are. It isn't like there is a Vince Lombardi or Don Shula twitter contingent ready to celebrate his demise. Or emerging Andy Reid truthers. The only reason it is even discussed is usually as a way to diminish great players that got the benefit of being coached by them compared to others that didn't.
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I don't think it will matter. How many of those other coaches coaches got garbage rosters for 200 games.
It's not like Lombardi or whoever were trotting out Mac Jones types to the Superbowl.
If you look at those rosters (which to be fair for some he did a horrible job as gm) did he really underachieve with them?
It's also safe to say he's definitely lost a few steps as coach relative to 20 years ago. But when a great player hangs on and sucks for a few years at the end nobody really holds it against them.
update!:
wins in 2023
hoodie - 4
bardy - 0
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At season's end, if Tom Brady announced that he was looking to be a Head Coach in the NFL, would he have been hired for one of the openings that everyone has passed on Belichick for?
