Wynn $10k Main First Hand For All The Chips
Had an interesting one and was interested in other perspectives.
Playing Day 1C of the Wynn $10k ME on my first bullet.
Very first hand of the tournament level 1 300/500 500 100k starting stack. We're four handed.
Villain is a very young white kid with over the ear head phones on. No reads.
PF: Fold, Villain on button opens to 1200, We're in the sb with KhKs and make it 4300, fold, villain takes about a 45 second pause looking at my bet and then makes it 10500, I call.
Flop(22k): Tc 3h 6c
Check, 6100,call
Turn(34,100): 3s
I lead 500, he takes another long pause and makes it 22k, I call
River(78,100): 7d
Check, he puts his head down and pauses for maybe about a minute and half, then goes all in for 67,600.
Wtf
Five betting and being shown aces is a mighty fine way to go out.
As played, river call looks like a dumb way to go out.
My perspective is that 300/500 500 at level 1 with 100k is simply too big blinds with upcoming levels and too small a stack to only play the nuts and the mind game virtual nuts, which seems to be exactly what youÂ’re doing.
Your style of play guarantees a spot in the level 7+ of the blinds, sometimes getting lucky and stacking someone with a nutty handÂ… but it seems like youÂ’re doomed to failure from the start.
Perhaps a broader perspective was better “sometimes it’s just your time to die”
I think he had you, with AA+ but sometimes it’s just your time to die. Anyway, what the **** are you gonna do, play like that, then shove A9o because you have 6bb, get rivered by J3 of hearts and “call it a cooler and a unlucky day”? Or call a KJs shove with your 1.5bb stack with 10-3o?
If you go raising wars with kings preflop, sometimes you get shown aces, and sometimes you get not shown aces, or you win a red line potÂ… and if you go in a mtt, and your first hand is kk vs aa, and you go out, out of allll the players there at the beginning of the tournament (which means they arenÂ’t necessarily poker pro and even if he was a young hooded poker pro, I don’t think we can label all their allins as aces) well at leadt you have a story and something unlucky, because my guess is that the way you -lost- this tournament was pathetic. Cuz I know you lost that tournament. What are you doing, waiting for aces and sets and tpgk that don’t face reraises? Yeah, I actually looove the idea, but in practice itÂ’s being slowly eaten alive.
You seem oddly unhinged.
The way I busted the tournament was after dinner break I min raised JJ off of a 40bb stack and some donkey shoved with a 45bb stack over my open. I called and he had 88.
Flop was 7 8 9 and I didn't improve.
But nice try.
Very strange, he must still be under the influence from nye.
You seem oddly unhinged.
The way I busted the tournament was after dinner break I min raised JJ off of a 40bb stack and some donkey shoved with a 45bb stack over my open. I called and he had 88.
Flop was 7 8 9 and I didn't improve.
But nice try.
So you carefully filtered out all the blessings of what I said to nitpick on stuff.
Alright bitch.
Send me 10k.
Sending Manastar 10k
Net loss 10k
Getting busted with jacks
Net loss 10k + hours wasted at a poker table
According to my graph, you’re better off sending me money
Dude, all your prior posts are about $20 sngs and $1/2.
Get off the guys ass about a ****ed up first hand of a 10k. You are out of your element, Donnie.
Nobody is giving you 10k for your rock solid analysis. 90% óf players lose in a tournament - none of them are wiser for handing it to you.
Actually I’m way under-rolled for 1/2$ I’m more taking shots.
However trying to shoot down my poker analysis because I play 1/2 is not argumentative, it’s straw manning. That’s disgusting.
It's not a straw man when you equate a 10k 200bb hand with a $20 obvious rebuy situation and think your "wisdom" is worth 10k.
It's not a straw man when you equate a 10k 200bb hand with a $20 obvious rebuy situation and think your "wisdom" is worth 10k.
Traumatized child became gambler, and use narcissism, money and gambling as a way to endlessly patch up its own buried feelings of inadequacies, inferiority and worthlessness.
To argue effectively with me or anyone else, you have to make my arguments as strong as possible, not try to put them down one way or another in a treacherous attempt to make me seem ridiculous and stupid, because itÂ’s much easier to beat up a weakened argument drowning in **** I havenÂ’t said, that you added on your own volition to try and be right and bolster up your own point. YouÂ’re not trying to find the truth, youÂ’re trying to win. Poker is a game that we agreed to okay, hence itÂ’s now ok to win over someone else, but in relationships with people, zero sum game is a disease that will make everyone, you including, absolutely miserable.
Anyway, IÂ’m done with you. Like, actually. Save your energy IÂ’m out. You need compassion and it wonÂ’t be me. YouÂ’re not even listening anyway so what gives.
What a start to the new year!
Is he really min 4 betting AA 200BB deep?
Just my imho but I actually think he’s more likely to show up with A3 for value and a bunch of busted clubs as bluffs.
Your hand looks like JJ or similar as played tbh.
Yeah his sizing is pretty standard I think.
It's almost a 2.5x 4-bet which is a pretty solid / standard size for this deep and in position.
3b sizing is good vs most but the characterization of V makes me wanna assume that even vs 3b5x he'll continue, as is almost surely unexploitable and quite frankly correct vs the population, with
-suited 3-gappers
-7xs
-Kxs (virtually all of them)
-more
200bb BTN open can really tool out like 22+, AX, bwys, 43s+, 53s+, 63s+, 4Xs, 7xo, KXs, K5o, QXs, JXs, TXs, 94s. Gotta see a ton of flops vs 3bs and this deep people will find the raise with 8Xs and wider.
So I'm indifferent vs the 3b sizing used here but it deserves some consideration.
Is he always folding QQ or AK? Why not click it back if he's stacking with those?
Calling pre obv highly justifiable.
As played--
Really try visualizing your range here. Tx is discounted due to lower prior likelihood (mixing pre with those). AA are in there and TT are too. But KK are QQ are bulging out and are the bulk of your range so IP should never have those for value. Mixing with these and there's universes where QQ are a higher frequency call unblocking AK which is substantially most of IP's bluffs.
But I think this spot will be underfolded bc who folds KK? So fold.
Guess it really depends on how much JJ you're perceived to have
Don't think it's crazy at all to start folding turn with those but if IP thinks you've still got the whole diagonal from JJ-KK with only partial AA (4betting pre sometimes; xr F or T more frequently) then QQ-JJ are gonna be closer to that 50%-of-your-range mark and KK would be an exploitable fold.
Here's a toy game. I gave myself just 20 seconds to compute river ranges
OOP:
IP
OOP vs ship:
Remove almost everything but QQ and KK
The more your range is JJ-KK, the more you must call KK
But notice how that compares to my earlier computations:
-"Enough JJ-QQ and KK are an exploitable fold" (Probably only half right but end up being an underfold
"IP should never triple KK" (Probably only half right)
The tendency is for people to be too polar (not enough KK), and assume too little folding (OOP folds not enough KK) which dissuades bluffs and makes KK a clear, justifiable fold.
Thanks for the detailed response and the work you put in here.
Yeah thanks Eggs sick analysis.
I’m trying to make sure I understand precisely some of the points you’ve made.
If OOP happened to have AA, it’s 100% call?
Because V could assume pop underfolds this runout the 3rd barrel should generally be underbluffed so we can fold more confidently?
I see solver still wants to call a bunch with QQ,JJ, would you say that is that predominantly because of the unblocks?
Finally; what’s your analysis if V just thinks it’s impossible for us to have KK in the spot ever because; as played.
He took literally 60-120 seconds on the turn and river decision which to me was so annoying. First levels of day in a tourny without an insane structure, don’t take 90 seconds to do something you know you are doing. 10-15 seconds is fine.
Action clocks should be introduced in every tournament poker room.
I think your turn block put something in this guy's head that he could go crazy on the river and get you to fold most anything.
