British Politics

I haven't done a straw poll but you may very well be mistaken. Or maybe it's just that the loudest voices in this thread were Brexiters who astonishingly have become very quiet on the subject.

fyi the EU consists of representatives elected by each member state, this being exactly how representative democracy is supposed to work. If we didn't like what the EU is doing we could simply vote for other people to better represent our views. I would have thought that, as a European, you might have known that (even if you're from the Russian part of Europe).

If majorities in the continent have opinions different from the British median one, the British median one gets suffocated politically and disappears, in the EU, while alone what the British median voter wants, happens (roughly, after the mediation of representative democracy).

Given you told me you didn't care much about my opinion on British politics, I hope you were a brexiter as well because staying in the EU would actually have meant delegating green policies to the voters in the continent for example.

Which for now might be fairly close to your preferences, but maybe you should look at the polls for the upcoming EU election to understand what I mean

Brexit was very good for the (far) right in Europe and in the UK (among others) )

Unsuprisingly me and jalfrazi were strongly against and I would guess you were in favour of brexit - correct guess?

No as I wrote living in a country which is more collectivist than the EU avg, and disliking collectivism personally, the UK leaving damaged me.

It was also a Pareto inefficient loss for trade. Ofc that wasn't obvious when they voted on it, but it's bad for everyone to have less free trade, no matter how you reach that outcome.

But given how collectivist the UK recently ended up to be (COVID, green policies), the loss was smaller than I thought.

Personally I would only have the common market and not delegate anything else to the EU though, I find having an additional layer of bureaucracy horrific.

I know Thatcher has never been universally applauded by british people, but at least she happened, unlike in France, Italy, Spain, Germany where basically nothing of the sort ever happened.

Italy had a libertarian leaning early president of the republic in the 50s (Einaudi) but he had far less actual power so while he said a lot of things aligned with what was later known as Thatcherism, society didn't change much because of it.

As for Labour , why do you think what you are describing is happening? what's the angle there to understand why Labour leadership is convinced they gain by pushing gender ideology, or being center-right in their stance on Israel?

If majorities in the UK have opinions different from the <> median one, the British <> median one gets suffocated politically and disappears, in the UK.

If you're arguing for Westminster ceding some democracy to local areas in the UK I agree, but I don't think you've considered the implications of your own anti-EU argument.

in fact i am very in favour of decentralizing decision making as much as possible.

Btw i am not anti-eu, i just want the eu to be exclusively dedicated to what is impossible to deal with more locally (Coase theorem). So border, trade, the currency, and making sure internal trade (and movement of people and capitals) isn't blocked by some anti-trade local legislation. I am actually in favour of EU-wide armed forces (it's bizzarre we don't have a european navy yet for example). External diplomacy should be an EU affair not a state one as well.

But no regulations about how buildings should be built because "the climate" (or any other reason), which cars can be sold and so on.

Well... that's refreshingly bonkers.

I think he wants Europe to have more leaning towers.

Tory's in full-blown 'People's Front of Judea' mode now.

diebitter in "doesn't understand how apsotophes work mode" shocker.

Damn all those who voted for the party of obvious nutjobs, including someone called, er diebitter.

Correcting grammar online is the mother lode of small dick energy

Third rate university obscure-subject specialist claiming academic prowess to an online audience is that of which you speak.

We should call it Elrazoritis.

Six months ago:

If that's to be believed then 10% + of Labour's vote is from tactical voting, and it reflects Starmer's lack of popularity with the electorate.

is there any grassroot movement asking to change the electoral system from FPTP to proportional representation in the UK?

In italy electoral law considerations are often mainstream topics (we change them often enough) with very heavy quarreling between factions

Also Jalf unfortunately transposed the first S and O, and omitted the R, in 'apostrophes'. But when you get to my age, these things help to pass the time. Long ago it used to be said that any book review pointing out a certain sort of mistake by the author would itself prove to contain a mistake of similar kind. (On The Independent circa 1990 this was called 'Lane's Law' after Anthony Lane, then deputy literary editor, who went on to be film critic of the New Yorker.)

"People's" is probably more difficult to get right than "Tory's". That's the irony of it.

After first the vulgarity during a cost of living crisis of a throwaway £1000 bet on deporting asylum seekers to Africa, and now insulting trans people's identity while a dead trans girl's mother was in the House, Sunak must surely be toast before the GE?

The latest word is that Sunak is claiming he "didn't hear" Starmer refer to Brianna Ghey's mother. lol

Is alternative vote more or less what Australia has?

I have no idea.

nah

funnily enough the liberal party of the 1900s and 1910s were the most strident opponents of PR in the commons

they came to discover its wonderful merits when they got booted out of power in the 1920s