67s..huge move or punt?

I just limp/call with those hands in this type of game (which I used to play in regularly), especially if I am "short." Pretty gross spot, but I don't know what else you expected. Call and reload if needed or fold and kick yourself for getting here.

Limp call pre is ******. I prob fold on turn as played

Hint. Opening 67s in MP is not how you make money at this specific table.

Not at these tables, at least the one I used to play at, but play however you'd like. You hit your 67 and they will pay you off.

The game I played in, I got two players all in pre for $1,400 w/ AA (yes, I lost to 5d7d, the other guy didn't show).

I just limp in but that's just me.

I don't mind the raise pre but it's not a good flop to cbet in a 4 way hand by far.

And after he calls you otf, nothing will stop him from calling you again ott. You would have to 1.5x it at least. Then when he jams which is just a min-raise, he's expecting you to call with 100% of your range anyway. You don't have any hero calls at that point.

Gee the quality of 2p2 responses has gone into the gutter. Recommending open limping junk. I’m happy to play any of y’all heads up Lmk

I would fold pf but that's just me.

I'd prefer to be in a later position in this type of game and keep my early and middle position range a bit stronger.

Opening is fine if done sparingly, but it's easy to over do if you're doing all these hand types 100% of the time from MP or earlier.

When it's this multi way I would just check the flop and try to keep the pot as small as possible. There are just too many bad run outs for you so not worth investing the money here for protection.

As played it's a pretty crappy spot I have a hard time seeing what bluffs this guy has. I think best case scenarios are he has As3s or you are behind w/ 6 outs. I don't have a strong preference either way but I guess I'd still fold at this price. If I only had a 100 left I would call.

I think, at this table, limping this in MP is probably better than opening A2s EP. Folding also fine, esp. if straddle is going to raise a lot of the time.
Open raise is probably torching money vs. all other options. Seriously, open shove might be better.

Any flop bet should be small 4 ways, this flop should be terrible for most of the hands you raise pre so you shouldn't bet often... but sure fire 50 into 80 and pray everyone folds, let's find out how bad it can be.

Turn all options suck, check probably sucks least... if you have the heart and the reads then bet small to value call the bluff raise is cute.

After you bet again, like you have an overpair and don't care, and he shoves it in your face anyway ... lol.

Then again I'd expect almost all the overpairs to have 3bet pre. in a crazy game, so he has 5x/66/33/74/42 for value? Might decide any pair is good and has 3x with spades, or just shove any spades or 4x now because he just doesn't care (and maybe you fold AK or whatever). Be pretty funny if he has like J6 though.
One problem with this is the only hand you played is A2s ... which while you've folded a lot doesn't suggest you have a lot of great hands here.

I'd play you heads up no problem. There is absolutely nothing wrong with open limping in certain situations, and this is one of them. When you have played at a 1/3 game with all stacks >$1,000 with people opening Q6s and chasing gutshots at any price and overbet jamming draws, then post again about not limping 67s.

Gotta start by saying I kinda love the polarity of huge move - huge punt. Mad respect, Señor Banana.

Not sure why I made you Spanish, but I'm going with it.

What's the limping frequency at the table? I'm asking because people are saying we can limp/call with this hand pre, and I'm just wondering if it's one of those games where limping induces wide opens, and if that in turn induces wide 3B's, and we might somehow find a call with some weird $hlt we should have folded sooner, but might occasionally still call.

If it's that sort of game, I think I'd just fold.

But if people are happy to play limped pots multi-way, or open wide because there's not a lot of 3B'ing, yeah, I could see limp-calling pre.

Also - we gotta get more money on the table. Is $400 the max buy in? We can't be opening many middling suited connectors from MP with a $400 stack at this table.

TURN - I dunno. This feels like a Phil Hellmuth, "I bluff, bluff, bluff, then I show you the nuts" sort of set-up with the gambling MAAG V.

When this guy seems to literally play ATC, he could have 74, 53, A3, A5, A2, A4, A7, 87, 95, 86, 96, T6, T5, K5...you see where this is going.

Basically, we're playing a guessing game about what V has, whether it's thick value, a SCB, or something in between and he's just going with it.

When he showed down garbage, was it garbage that connected and made a hand, or total air? Was he betting with it, or calling with it?

Cutting through all the noise - I agree with everyone saying we need to cut our losses and fold this one. Top off to the max, tighten up, and soldier on.

ok hmu lmk when and where and what stakes u wanna play - i aint scared

So what do you have to add except "you guys are wrong, I'm right" and offering niente.

There's nothing wrong with limping 67s in a weak passive game where we can see a lot of flops for cheap while we hold a skill advantage over everyone else at the table, especially players who limp with AQ and will go broke if they flop an ace. I also said I would raise if it was me, but players with smaller br's can play it as a limp since it does have value it's not anywhere near junk.

He likes to raise big draws and "make moves". He would do this with FDs, combo draws, 5x, 33, 44. He's not calling hands like 42o pre, VPIPing about 50%. But I felt like I couldn't really adjust to the game well. 400$ was the max BI and everyone had over 1k. 20$ was a small open over a straddle, most people opening to 30-50 cold. But very little 3-betting going on. Hands going MW with SPRs (for me) of 1-3.

I might have been on tilt as well, I don't know, I felt card dead waiting for premiums and ripping in pre. Finally got my chance with red Queens against a deep stack woman. We run it three times. Q♦ Q♥ vs her A♠ T♠

Runouts: T-7-3-T-2, Ks-8h-3d-9s-2s, Ax-brick-brick-brick-brick...she scoops everything.

I would rather not play this hand for a limp or a raise from mp. From CO or BTN, they are more playable. Also, you make a lot of second best hands with these multiway. They play badly multiway. You would much prefer pps or Axs to make close to the nuts. Maybe some people can play well enough with them postflop against donks to make a profit.

The two card rooms I play in most often have a $500 max for 1/3. It wouldn't seem like a big difference, but when I played in a room with a $400 max and lots of loose limping and calling but almost no 3B'ing pre-flop, it was hard for me to adjust.

So...I feel your pain.

In a game like this, I think I'd have to be prepared with multiple buy-ins. I'd be topping off constantly. I'd generally play a fairly tight range, but looking for spots to put in some opportunistic 3B's and 4B jams. All you need is one double-up, and then you can start opening up your game a bit.

All that said, about this hand, I dunno. Like I said, against this V, the way you described him, you're basically just trying to guess if he has it or not, and I don't like guessing for my whole stack, so I'd probably fold and pick a better spot.

Preflop opening 76s is going to be about 0 EV. Especially at this depth the implied odds aren't amazing. Folding is fine but opening isn't horrible. Having 15-18 as your standard open size makes your hand more likely to be a winning open.

I don't like your multiway sizing on the flop. I would go 25% pot or check flop. I don't see what betting the turn accomplishes. You are pot committing yourself. As played I think we just call off. Sometimes you can have the best hand as there a variety of draws you can be against. You have some equity vs some hands that are ahead of you.

Overall I don't like your plan for this hand. I think your sizing on each street should contemplate what you want for this hand. To me, your sizing on the flop and turn say that you were ready to stack off on the turn with your hand. I think we are overshooting our hand strength by doing that.

I strongly disagree with the idea of limping first in pre. Open it or fold it. It is the strong consensus among winning poker players that limping first in at normal cash game stack depths is a bad move. Note, you can have an advanced strategy that incorporates limps in the blinds at high stack deaths, and as you get really short, like 10bb, there are also polarized limp strategies from earlier positions. But outside of very shallow stack play, limping first in is not a good move outside of the blinds. And implimenting a balanced strategy of limping and raising out of the blinds adds a negligible amount of EV to your strategy and in all reality reduces your EV as these strategies are hard to implement

At this wild table folding 76s preflop is going to be the best move by far. I'm not generally an open-limp-from-MP guy but I wouldn't mind it at this table in this spot either. Raising is burning money with a small suited connector when you're shallow at this table with wild opponents.

I would bet flop small to keep ranges wide. Now you get called you are up against a much tighter continuing range and that isn't a great spot (even a wild opponent isn't calling your flop sizing with QJo here). As a result the turn feels like a check.

i think pre is likely to be a basically pure fold at equilibrium to begin with (you are ~70bb deep) let alone when 3+xing and at a table where literally everyone is playing much looser than they are supposed to.
flop looks way too big into 3 people if you're going to bet and its unclear to me that we want to do that with our hand
turn i dont think bet makes much sense esp for this size but i cant imagine b/f with tp+gutter. i also think you're fairly dead vs this line which makes me think turn bet in general is an error.

i think people are being somewhat closed minded about limping at this table where you are never winning the pot preflop and it doesn't seem like initiative / representing an uncapped range and balance are worth very much. im not sure if 76ss belongs in that range

In this type of game

with players like this guy

I'll take my chances by limping in with 67s because I would hate to have to fold to a 3bet if I raised and/or raise and get 5 callers then being OOP with it in a multiway pot, but that's just me. I don't follow rules from 2010 that say "you should never come in for a limp in poker". We're not in a deep 5/10 game with excellent players where I would agree with that rule but not in these types of games (I might still raise with it, but I would hate to fold it just bedasue we're in MP). In a bigger game with better players I would fold pre in a heart beat.

Yep. It's very game-dependent, but this is the perfect game to limp 76s from MP or later.

That same game I mentioned earlier on a different night, I gii pre for $500 again w/ AA and was up against 97s and J7o. LOL. (Yes, they chopped with a straight.) It's good to see flops vs. bad players who gii light with these hands. I'm not one to gii pre, personally, but knowing you will get paid when you hit is definitely worth the limp.

You don't have to wait for those hands, and I don't actually recommend waiting. Play hands you can hit nuts with, but don't raise them. Just limp sometimes. Heck, play like GG and limp/raise those big hands -- then they won't know what you have when you limp. As Playbig2000 wrote, it's not 2010 anymore.

Curious how we'd play this hand from OOP if we limped pre.

i think its fine to play loose in this game (everyone described sounds like a fish so you're unlikely to get punished) as long as you dont stack off every time you have top pair no kicker when it goes 4 ways to the flop lol. if you're going to do this post, you're better off playing tighter and trying to reduce the spr and then put the money in post with the best of it. i dont mean that condescendingly but preflop strategy here is going to be a function of your postflop edge and i guess bankroll / emotional control