GGPoker - Where everyone loses except the house?

Simple because fish ie 90% of players don't care about things like rake. GG has also cornered the market on rich whales

Because it really doesn't matter where the money comes. Does it really matter if you lose 1k before rb but make 5k after? Also they accept players from China, Russia and Belarus that brings in massive traffic.

GG business model is more attractive to fish.

Their PVI is high so they have good rakeback. Rarely they are going to win a jackpot but that's not a problem, they just need one in a year to make the experience worth.

Almost everytime they get sucked out in a hand, they are going to win the flip out ticket and inevitably win one for $50 or more. Time to degen again.

GG is a business that applies the same concepts once applied to lab rats on scientific research.

To make people comeback you need to give them incentive, more like an ilusion. All GG promos that are sustained by the high rake charged at the tables are ilusions.

exactly this. it's all just semantics.

That is certainly not true.

If your PVI is derived by some magical algorithm which then determines rakebackj, it matters.

Even if you know what the rakeback % is currently, as other sites have shown in the past, they essentially control your bottom line.

lol the dude down 600k in 1 million hands

was anyone really unaware of this? gg rake is absolutely absurd, and it gets more absurd as you move up further.
it would be really nice if we weren't running straight into a gg monopoly on high stakes, but for the time being we are

Low and midstakes i would generally advise players to not play there

Yeah let them play in pokerstars where they charge more rake, less traffic, worse promotions and less support

Gg charges less than ps in low stakes. Rofl, i just saw 0.25/0.5 5% with 2$ but lets complain about gg and 1$ with good promotions and best traffic 24/7

u don't have to cry about it bro, it's not personal.
gg rake at the lowest stakes is pretty good i think yeah. At high stakes it's like 5-10 times higher or something, mainly because there's preflop rake. whatever % you see online is not apples to apples to another site because preflop rake makes it so much higher

Yeah it has been a topic here for years and even at the ggs reddit players are talking about that.

Nvm

How does smarthand deal with running it twice?

Or cash outs for that matter.

Also the top player on that rakeback pro list has probably cleared 300k in rakeback, never mind all the extras.

Imagine taking the top100 smarthand stats based on number of hands played and expect to give a good argumennt about how "nobody wins in ggpoker".

You cant use the top100 winnings tab because you need a "statistic important sample"? Kek.

But having this list without showing what people actually netted is completely disingenuous.

I'm not saying the rake in high stakes doesn't suck on this site or that the way they calculate rakeback isn't shady. But we also can't just ignore what these people actually make and say everyone loses.

Exactly. Think about GG as the largest provider of poker jobs in the world and poker pros as their contractors.

Should someone care that KPMG pays them $125/hr and then turns around and charges their client $675/hr for the same job? What if no other employer pays more than $100?

Maybe they will try to negotiate a better rate if they are not easily replaceable but it doesn't appear to be the case for poker players.

At the end of the day, most of the players on the list are making more money on GG, otherwise they wouldn't be playing there

Personally, I find winning fun, and losing sucks. I can't imagine ever choosing to play a poker game where I am -ev and have to rely on rakeback to save myself. I really hope it never comes to that.

problem is you need an agent to know your pvi(was like this last time I played at least) and they can just turn it up or down based on their calcs infinitely right?

"Who is really winning here other than GG poker?"

Answer: literally everyone on the lists except the few people who are -4/5 bb/100 are winning money after rakeback.

GGs rake is definitely bad... but the regs who are playing have made a calculated decision to play there and after rakeback they are most likely earning more money than they would on other sites, due to prolificity of fish. If regs werent winning they wouldnt be playing on the site.

Because we have a 20 years sample of poker operators slashing their rakeback in half (or more) whenever they are satisfied with their market share and the shareholders want more money. If GG ends up in a dominant position like they're well on their way to become, don't believe for a second that the rakeback will stay like it is now. And no other operator is ready to absorb all of the volume from 'grey' or dark markets right now (which is the main driver for mid+ action happening on GG).

In the end people are mostly griding for the LB and thats where most of the money comes from.

Still not impressive. I don't want to play poker 14+ hours a day. I could be second or first place of rush n cash everyday if I wanted, but I don't think the money is worth the time.

Why would someone pursue a poker career if the codition to maximize profits is grinding like a slave? A normal job is less hours and 0 variance. LB should be about who is playing the best on X number of hands. EV should be the parameter not volume.

If there was a way to make something like that work, things will get better for everyone (but not the poker site, since volume oriented promos gives them infinite money). You could have a bad month, but if you played well you would still be rewarded by the quality of your plays compared to the player pool.

great point. playing your A-game while having your account balance dwindle daily can't be too much fun psychologically either.