British Politics
Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.
Tory leadership contest is quickly turning into farce. Trump has backed Boris, which should be reason enough for anyone with half a brain to exclude him.
Of the other candidates Rory Stewart looks the best of the outsiders. Surprised to see Cleverly and Javid not further up the betting, but not sure the Tory membership are ready for a brown PM.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri...
Regarding the LD leadership contest, Jo Swinson is miles ahead of any other candidate (and indeed any of the Tory lot). Should be a shoe in.
Finally, it's Groundhog Day in Labour - the more serious the anti-Semitism claims get, the more Corbyn's cronies write their own obituary by blaming it on outlandish conspiracy theories - this week, it's apparently the Jewish Embassy's fault...
I'm sure therer are other restrictions apart from hate speach. For example, I can't imagine coca cola would be allowed to display adverts on public buldings. Not sure what the relevant law would be but if there isn't one I've no doubt there soon would be.
Also anything long lasting would be an issue. During a demo seems fine unless it violates some other law such as hate, pornography etc
coca cola is available at every college/university vending machines.
they put their ads on that machine, IN HUGE LETTERS.
It's their machine though. I doubt that many people want to see their logo splayed across the front of public buildings.
This stuff about Islamists controlling Sadiq Khan is nonsense.
The things controlling Sadiq Khan are clearly idiocy, hubris and the addiction to trying to squeeze every last penny out of motorists in London. Let's hope he doesn't prove to be an inspiration to the assorted small-brained individuals that have some sort of power in other cities in the UK.
Letterbox pork, the most delicious of all the meats
Lee Anderson: MP suspended from Tory party over criticism of London mayor
He and Truss are obviously trying to grift post-election careers for themselves as far right wing toolheads.
The things controlling Sadiq Khan are clearly idiocy, hubris and the addiction to trying to squeeze every last penny out of motorists in London. Let's hope he doesn't prove to be an inspiration to the assorted small-brained individuals that have some sort of power in other cities in the UK.
You're not in London, know **** all about the issues and should concern yourself with local issues such as the shape of swede in the supermarkets.
Never thought I'd link 'The Church Times' but holy **** the 40% owner of GB news is a dangerous nutjob who is trying to also buy the Spectator and Telegraph
SIR PAUL MARSHALL, the hedge-funder manager and co-owner of GB News who sits on the board of HTB’s Church Revitalisation Trust has deleted all of his posts on the social-media site X (formerly Twitter) after an investigation highlighted that he had liked and retweeted anti-Muslim tweets.
The investigation, carried out by Hope not Hate — a charity that opposes far-right extremism — was published this week and broadcast by The News Agents podcast. It reported that last year Sir Paul had changed his X username to @areopagus123, which “matches that of a company set up by Marshall in 2021, Areopagus Ventures, and which seems to derive from Marshall’s interest in Areopagitica, John Milton’s polemic in defence of free speech”.
One post “liked” by the account read: “It is just a matter of time before civil war starts in Europe. The native European population is losing patience with the fake refugee invaders.” Another read: “If we want European civilization to survive we need to not just close the borders but start mass expulsions immediately. We don’t stand a chance unless we start that process very soon.”
The account had “liked” a number of posts from an account called Worldbywolf, one of which warned that “There has never been a country that has remained peaceful with a sizeable Islamic presence. . . Once the Muslims get to 15-20% of the population the current cold civil war will turn hot.”
The account retweeted a post from Amy Mek which warned of “The four stages of Islamic conquest”, stating that Muslim immigration was a form of “infiltration” that would lead to “the establishment of a totalitarian Islamic theocracy”.
Another post retweeted referred to “Pascal’s wager in the 21st century”: “God may or may not be real, but the other side is so passionate, so committed to worshipping Satan, evil, homosexuality and corrupting children, that even if god wasn’t real, believing in him to fend these demons off is preferable.”
Hope not Hate reported that, after approaching Sir Paul for comment, all of his tweets and almost 300 likes were removed from the account. A statement said: “Paul Marshall’s account is private but is nonetheless followed by 5000 people including many journalists. He posts on a wide variety of subjects and those cited represent a small and unrepresentative sample of over 5000 posts. This sample does not represent his views.
“As most X/Twitter users know, it can be a fountain of ideas, but some of it is of uncertain quality and all his posts have now been deleted to avoid any further misunderstanding.”
Sir Paul is the founder, chief investment officer, and chairman of Marshall Wace LLP, one of Europe’s leading hedge fund groups. The Sunday Times Rich List has estimated that he has a fortune of £800 million.
He is the founder and owner of Unherd Media, which seeks to “push back against the herd mentality with new and bold thinking” — including among its columnists Canon Giles Fraser — and a co-owner of GB News, established in 2021 and home to presenters that include Nigel Farage and, until recently, the Revd Calvin Robinson (News, 27 May 2022). He is understood to be preparing a bid to buy The Telegraph and The Spectator.
Once a Liberal Democrat candidate and donor, he shifted his loyalty to the Conservative Party in 2016, becoming a prominent donor to the Leave campaign in the Brexit referendum.
https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2...
Fo an interview between Michael Walker of Novara Media and GB News about this:
Looks like your mate Shamima lost her appeal to regain her citizenship Chez.
Not sure any of the regs here think she isn’t the UKs responsibility and shouldn’t be bought home.
Interestingly, both the Spectator and the Telegraph, mentioned by chez above, are claiming that Begum shouldn't have lost her citizenship. But that's just journalism. The Court of Appeal, the Lady Chief Justice presiding, unanimously found that Secretary of State Sajid Javid's decision in 2019 to deny her citizenship under S40 of the British Nationality Act 1981 was not unlawful. The argument is quite complex and depends partly on the fact that Begum (contrary to some press reports) was a Bangladeshi citizen by right at the time (being the child of Bangladeshi citizens and under 21) and partly on the fact that the Secretary of State's briefing notes drew his attention to the issues of trafficking and statelessness, so he must have considered those issues, and the Court of Appeal can't rule on the merits of the case but only on the legal arguments arising from the Special Immigration Appeals Commission's ruling.
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uplo...
The decision may be appealable at the Supreme Court, perhaps particularly under Para 102, but Begum's lawyers can't just spout Guardian editorials, it has to come down to points of law, and not points that have already been dismissed.
Never thought I'd link 'The Church Times' but holy **** the 40% owner of GB news is a dangerous nutjob who is trying to also buy the Spectator and Telegraph
Not really important. GB News is a niche thing and mainstream papers don't have the influence that they once thought they did. Unlike the US, where election spends are unlimited, British media moguls don't have that much power, particularly since public-service broadcasting began in 1922. Lord Rothermere, owner of the Daily Mail in the Thirties, was briefly an enthusiast for Oswald Mosley (and even Keynes admired Mosley's 1930 Memorandum on 'national economic planning' up to a point) and also apparently admired Hitler, but he didn't influence national opinion much in that direction, and he also supported rearmament just in case, he paid for the Bristol 142 prototype that became the Blenheim bomber and, like Mosley, he had to accept that he was on Britain's side when war broke out, even though he didn't like it and he went off and died in Bermuda in 1940.
Not really important. GB News is a niche thing and mainstream papers don't have the influence that they once thought they did. Unlike the US, where election spends are unlimited, British media moguls don't have that much power, particularly since public-service broadcasting began in 1922. Lord Rothermere, owner of the Daily Mail in the Thirties, was briefly an enthusiast for Oswald Mosley (and even Keynes admired Mosley's 1930 Memorandum on 'national economic planning' up to a point) and also ap
Far too complacent. If the usa continues down it's batshit crazy path then there' s a serious risk we will follow to a large extent.
re hitler - it could have gone the other way. we got lucky with churchill and eddie the eigth abdicating. Who knows otherwise.
A substantial part of the government and Tory party probably wish it had gone the other way.
Far too complacent. If the usa continues down it's batshit crazy path then there' s a serious risk we will follow to a large extent.
I don't think there's much public sympathy for crank US isolationism -- we're not sitting in a funny little bubble with a vast ocean either side and nothing but Canada and Mexico above and below -- though Europe does need to up its defence spend and reduce its reliance on that particular frenemy.
re hitler - it could have gone the other way. we got lucky with churchill and eddie the eigth abdicating. Who knows otherwise.
Doubt it. It was Chamberlain, as Chancellor and then Prime Minister, who brought about the vast rearmament programme and ultimately declared war. Edward VIII's abdication wasn't altogether his own choice, it was something that Special Branch, MI5 and PM Stanley Baldwin had been looking at for a while and working towards, particularly since George V requested and authorised Special Branch to maintain surveillance on Nazi-sympathising Mrs Simpson, 'David''s ladyfriend, in January 1935. It was also known, in those circles, that George V very much wanted Bertie, Duke of York, and then Bertie's daughter Princess Elizabeth to succeed him, and not on any account 'David'.
When Chamberlain was minded to resign after the 'Norway debate' in May 1940, Bertie (George VI) was wary of Churchill because he'd been a vocal supporter of David, but Attlee, having consulted Conference, supported Churchill and certainly wouldn't serve in a National Government under Chamberlain, and Lord Halifax, who might have been the King's preference, simply didn't want the job and didn't think you could boss the Commons from the Lords any more, so the King was won over and decided only Churchill would do.
I don't think there's much public sympathy for crank US isolationism -- we're not sitting in a funny little bubble with a vast ocean either side and nothing but Canada and Mexico above and below -- though Europe does need to up its defence spend and reduce its reliance on that particular frenemy.
That will continue to be obviosuly true until afterwards..
The far right are orghanising. Links are built built and peopel are coming to power across Europe.
Doubt it. It was Chamberlain, as Chancellor and then Prime Minister, who brought about the vast rearmament programme and ultimately declared war. Edward VIII's abdication wasn't altogether his own choice, it was something that Special Branch, MI5 and PM Stanley Baldwin had been looking at for a while and working towards, particularly since George V requested and authorised Special Branch to maintain surveillance on Nazi-sympathising Mrs Simpson, 'David''s ladyfriend, in January 1935. It was also known, in those circles, that George V very much wanted Bertie, Duke of York, and then Bertie's daughter Princess Elizabeth to succeed him, and not on any account 'David'.
When Chamberlain was minded to resign after the 'Norway debate' in May 1940, Bertie (George VI) was wary of Churchill because he'd been a vocal supporter of David, but Attlee, having consulted Conference, supported Churchill and certainly wouldn't serve in a National Government under Chamberlain, and Lord Halifax, who might have been the King's preference, simply didn't want the job and didn't think you could boss the Commons from the Lords any more, so the King was won over and decided only Churchill would do.[/QUOTE]
I'd recomm end troublesome young men by Lynne Olsen (*among much other history)., Woithout churchill to be their leader it's not at all clear. Even as it is was, it wasn't that clear except that we know how it turned out.
The far right are orghanising. Links are built built and peopel are coming to power across Europe.
The far right would have a far harder time getting a foothold in Europe if stories like this were not part of the weekly news cycle.
Elracist trying to get us to believe that immigrants kill people on a weekly basis.
I don't think there's much public sympathy for crank US isolationism -- we're not sitting in a funny little bubble with a vast ocean either side and nothing but Canada and Mexico above and below -- though Europe does need to up its defence spend and reduce its reliance on that particular frenemy.
Doubt it. It was Chamberlain, as Chancellor and then Prime Minister, who brought about the vast rearmament programme and ultimately declared war. Edward VIII's abdication wasn't altogether his own choice
The allies knew about the deportation of the jews. They knew everything and did nothing. That was ofc well before the start of war. Why did the allies not respond and say anything, I mean do anyhting?
The allies were the brits and the US.
We had literally no army and half an air force
you could have told big brother USA or at least make it public in newpapers etc. I thought you were a superpower.
England conquered half of the world and then had no army left?
