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Yeah that is impressive as hell.

2 spots I need to study because I'm not 100% sure on them.

Is X-C-XR overbluffed in BUvsBB? I'm thinking yes but need to confirm. Now that I think about it Bet/3bet Jam as a Bluff could be amazing here as Button since BB is capped to 2 pair.

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NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($399) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 24.2% | AGG: 36.6% | Flop Agg: 41.5% | Turn Agg: 33.9% | River Agg: 37.2% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 14.1% | Hands: 324722]
SB ($288) [VPIP: 22.5% | PFR: 8.5% | AGG: 14.3% | Hands: 71]
BB ($233.87) [VPIP: 29.2% | PFR: 21.5% | AGG: 45.5% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 44.4% | River Agg: 57.1% | 3Bet: 9.5% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 21.7% | Hands: 66]
HJ ($202.60) [VPIP: 27.5% | PFR: 23.2% | AGG: 38.1% | Hands: 71]
CO ($206.85) [VPIP: 23.1% | PFR: 15.4% | AGG: 39.1% | Hands: 66]

Dealt to Hero: A♦ T♠

HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $4, SB Folds, BB Calls $2

Hero SPR on Flop: [25.54 effective]
Flop ($9): 5♣ 4♦ 8♠
BB Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($9): 5♣ 4♦ 8♠ T♥
BB Checks, HERO Bets $4.28 (Rem. Stack: $390.72), BB Calls $4.28 (Rem. Stack: $225.59)

River ($17.56): 5♣ 4♦ 8♠ T♥ K♣
BB Checks, HERO Bets $12.52 (Rem. Stack: $378.20), BB Raises To $43.39 (Rem. Stack: $182.20), HERO Calls $30.87 (Rem. Stack: $347.33)

Is Call small-X-OB Overbluffed by Fish? I think it is underbluffed, especially on this board texture but need to confirm. Will also get results in 24 hours

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NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($239.56) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 24.2% | AGG: 36.6% | Flop Agg: 41.5% | Turn Agg: 33.9% | River Agg: 37.2% | 3Bet: 11.5% | Fold to 3Bet: 60.2% | 4Bet: 14.1% | Hands: 324722]
BB ($196.23) [VPIP: 50% | PFR: 3.1% | AGG: 35.1% | Hands: 64]
UTG ($217.55) [VPIP: 31.3% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 22.2% | Hands: 32]
HJ ($299.85) [VPIP: 43.1% | PFR: 32.3% | AGG: 37.5% | Hands: 65]
CO ($200) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 27.8% | AGG: 62.5% | Hands: 18]
BTN ($270.65) [VPIP: 30% | PFR: 18.3% | AGG: 45.8% | Flop Agg: 27.3% | Turn Agg: 42.9% | River Agg: 83.3% | 3Bet: 4% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 15.4% | Hands: 60]

Dealt to Hero: Q♦ A♦

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $5, BTN Calls $5, HERO Raises To $28, BB Folds, CO Folds, BTN Calls $23

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.36 effective]
Flop ($63): 2♠ 3♥ A♣
HERO Bets $6 (Rem. Stack: $205.56), BTN Calls $6 (Rem. Stack: $236.65)

Turn ($75): 2♠ 3♥ A♣ 9♠
HERO Checks, BTN Checks

River ($75): 2♠ 3♥ A♣ 9♠ 4♠
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $112 (Rem. Stack: $124.65), HERO Folds

I don't think so. I think they are putting too many of their bluffs in the turn probe line instead of XC-XR. They're probably putting a decent amount of value in that line as well, so you could be onto something, but I suspect it's probably around GTO or under bluffed. Curious what your data says. It's possible it's over bluffed in this one position and under bluffed vs CO and tighter.

Except for a couple of rare spots, fish are massively under bluffing when they size up, so I would just assume so and move on.

I don't think it will be positional, not all MDA is based on position. For instance, XC-X-XR vs B75 or less is overbluffed everywhere regardless if it is BUvsBB or UTGvsBB. So some MDA is based on sizing, I imagine this will be based on sizing as well. I'll have to think about it some more and get data on it.

No this isn't right.

Fish overbluff in a lot of common spots with Overbet sizing.

Here's 5 but there are more

1. B-X-B as 3BP OOP PFR Overbluffed with OB

2. B-B-B as 3BP OOP PFR Overbluffed with OB

3. R-B-B as SRP IP PFC both BvB and IPvsOOP PFC

4. Donk50-Bet-Bet150 SRP OOP PFC

5. XC30-Donk75-Bet150 SRP OOP PFC

These 5 spots are way overbluffed and there's plenty more.

I'm pretty wary when a fish is IP and in the C-X-B line, especially when the river is an overbet. They suck at valuebetting, and they almost always blast off on the turn. idk if I'd call AQ there. Probably not, and I would just bet the river myself for whatever I think my hand is worth. Maybe block.

X-XC-XR is probably way underbluffed if I had to guess. Not to be results oriented, but I think it normally happens when they improve on the river.

The thing is that 1-4 are often jams since the SPR is low. If you filter for over bet non all-in it'll be under bluffed.

5 seems true but it only happens about once in every million hands

I think he's talking about regs/in general for that spot

SPR isn't low in a SRP though. So #4 is still overbluffed.

Yeah I've noticed that too, non all in OBs are underbluffed but they don't happen often at low SPRs. Jamming is much more common.

What's your feeling on 3bet jamming river vs X-XC-XR?

I like checking river better since C-X-Regular Sized bet is overbluffed and they will overfloat vs B10 OTF.

Maybe ask someone who uses Hand2Note since I don't. This data was all from my CFP that kicked me out lol.

thanks for your blog it is very informative and helpful

quick question on this, is it normal that your BB winrate way is better than SB? shouldn't it be like the opposite, or would this be just "variance"

3b jam probably good because he should almost never have the nuts/sets/straight, and you can have all of them here? idk about in general, but i guess it depends on the exact river card and board. Like the K is great for you and the river probably improves him to exactly 2pair since it doesn't give him a set, straight, flush, etc... and XR a random Kx seems horrible.

I don't trust people to bet enough with worse than a flush on a flush river, but you can probably just do what you want.

Fish are often short stacked, I have SRP Donk-B-OB

Add 2-4% weak to the non all-in sizes since the hands aren't hole cards revealed

in, glgl

Yeah I noticed that too I don't know what's going on there. It's less than 12k hands each so it is probably variance.

Thx for the data that is interesting. You should look at regs as well because the same pattern emerges I believe. Especially in 3bps (not in donk lines of course but lines like XC-X-B)

It's variance.

I talked to swerbs and he showed me data that the X-XC-XR is underbluffed so bad call by me. Still unclear if jamming is good but I think you are right in that they will just overfold since no one bluffs that spot.

Will report back on the C-X-OB results.

I guess I'm missing something, but isn't it the other way around?

We call with hands that block value and unblocks air, making it appear as if villain is betting air more often than he actually does?

You should be careful interpreting data, when u didnt configure the parameters yourself. H2N is quite powerful but that leaves Room for Error or lets say misinterpretation, too.

For example which Fish definitions are even used, is your ambitions 4 tabling 32/18 recreational(obscures data with more Volume,too) mixed into the same Fish definition with a passive 50/5er or a spewy 50/25er.
You will come to quite different conclusions, when splitting up different Player Types.

Yeah that exists too. The scenario here is that when villain doesn't shove, hero can and villain folds 100% of their bluffs. When villain folds H2N never sees their hand so the line shows as 1-3% more weak in all the SRP lines I've tested.

It looks like this fish spot is overbluffed in the C-X-OB sizing after doing more research on it. Add another line where the fishes overbluff with OB sizing.

After thinking about it some more, having diamonds is good because he will float all BDFD so we unblock floats.

Results

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NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($239.56) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 24.2% | AGG: 36.6% | Flop Agg: 41.5% | Turn Agg: 33.9% | River Agg: 37.2% | 3Bet: 11.5% | Fold to 3Bet: 60.2% | 4Bet: 14.1% | Hands: 325027]
BB ($196.23) [VPIP: 50% | PFR: 3.1% | AGG: 35.1% | Hands: 64]
UTG ($217.55) [VPIP: 31.3% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 22.2% | Hands: 32]
HJ ($299.85) [VPIP: 43.1% | PFR: 32.3% | AGG: 37.5% | Hands: 65]
CO ($200) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 27.8% | AGG: 62.5% | Hands: 18]
BTN ($270.65) [VPIP: 30% | PFR: 18.3% | AGG: 45.8% | Flop Agg: 27.3% | Turn Agg: 42.9% | River Agg: 83.3% | 3Bet: 4% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 15.4% | Hands: 60]

Dealt to Hero: Q♦ A♦

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $5, BTN Calls $5, HERO Raises To $28, BB Folds, CO Folds, BTN Calls $23

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.36 effective]
Flop ($63): 2♠ 3♥ A♣
HERO Bets $6 (Rem. Stack: $205.56), BTN Calls $6 (Rem. Stack: $236.65)

Turn ($75): 2♠ 3♥ A♣ 9♠
HERO Checks, BTN Checks

River ($75): 2♠ 3♥ A♣ 9♠ 4♠
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $112 (Rem. Stack: $124.65), HERO Folds

OOL

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NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($267) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 24.2% | AGG: 36.6% | Flop Agg: 41.5% | Turn Agg: 33.9% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 14.1% | Hands: 325081]
SB ($196) [VPIP: 40.7% | PFR: 33.3% | AGG: 58.3% | Flop Agg: 71.4% | Turn Agg: 33.3% | 3Bet: 8.3% | Fold to 3Bet: 100% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 27]
BB ($200) [VPIP: 28.6% | PFR: 14.3% | AGG: 42.9% | Hands: 14]
HJ ($184.38) [VPIP: 37% | PFR: 29.6% | AGG: 42.9% | Hands: 27]
CO ($246.30) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 27.8% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 18]

Dealt to Hero: K♦ J♦

HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $5, SB Raises To $20, BB Folds, HERO Calls $15

Hero SPR on Flop: [4.19 effective]
Flop ($42): 9♥ 3♠ A♠
SB Bets $13 (Rem. Stack: $163), HERO Calls $13 (Rem. Stack: $234)

Turn ($68): 9♥ 3♠ A♠ 2♦
SB Bets $19 (Rem. Stack: $144), HERO Raises To $66.50 (Rem. Stack: $167.50), SB Folds

Not sure what to do here vs fish. I think fold is good but need to research the spot, ill post results tomorrow.

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NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($223.75) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 24.2% | AGG: 36.6% | Flop Agg: 41.5% | Turn Agg: 33.9% | River Agg: 37.2% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 14.1% | Hands: 325081]
SB ($200.49) [VPIP: 51.9% | PFR: 33.3% | AGG: 35% | Hands: 28]
BB ($569.19) [VPIP: 35.7% | PFR: 17.9% | AGG: 31.8% | Flop Agg: 11.1% | Turn Agg: 25% | River Agg: 80% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 27.8% | Hands: 28]

Dealt to Hero: T♠ 8♥

HERO Raises To $5, SB Folds, BB Calls $3

Hero SPR on Flop: [19.89 effective]
Flop ($11): J♣ 7♠ T♥
BB Checks, HERO Bets $2.61 (Rem. Stack: $216.14), BB Raises To $12 (Rem. Stack: $552.19), HERO Calls $9.39 (Rem. Stack: $206.75)

Turn ($35): J♣ 7♠ T♥ J♦
BB Bets $26 (Rem. Stack: $526.19), HERO Calls $26 (Rem. Stack: $180.75)

River ($87): J♣ 7♠ T♥ J♦ 2♦
BB Bets $120 (Rem. Stack: $406.19), HERO Folds

Anddddd another spot where fish OB bluff too much. Bad fold me.

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NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($223.75) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 24.2% | AGG: 36.6% | Flop Agg: 41.5% | Turn Agg: 33.9% | River Agg: 37.2% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 14.1% | Hands: 325236]
SB ($200.49) [VPIP: 51.9% | PFR: 33.3% | AGG: 35% | Hands: 28]
BB ($569.19) [VPIP: 35.7% | PFR: 17.9% | AGG: 31.8% | Flop Agg: 11.1% | Turn Agg: 25% | River Agg: 80% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 27.8% | Hands: 28]

Dealt to Hero: T♠ 8♥

HERO Raises To $5, SB Folds, BB Calls $3

Hero SPR on Flop: [19.89 effective]
Flop ($11): J♣ 7♠ T♥
BB Checks, HERO Bets $2.61 (Rem. Stack: $216.14), BB Raises To $12 (Rem. Stack: $552.19), HERO Calls $9.39 (Rem. Stack: $206.75)

Turn ($35): J♣ 7♠ T♥ J♦
BB Bets $26 (Rem. Stack: $526.19), HERO Calls $26 (Rem. Stack: $180.75)

River ($87): J♣ 7♠ T♥ J♦ 2♦
BB Bets $120 (Rem. Stack: $406.19), HERO Folds

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