Israel/Palestine thread
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At almost all times, there have always been huge problems with Palestinian and Israeli leadership, both current and prospective.
Maybe problems if you want everlasting peace, but Israeli leaders have always done everything they could to help their people and grow their economy as opposed to stealing aid money to build tunnels and weapons and using their people as shields
Go suck that sleeve of wizard, jal
I'm as committed as Hamas to genocide. I don't understand Vic's objection
Maybe problems if you want everlasting peace, but Israeli leaders have always done everything they could to help their people and grow their economy as opposed to stealing aid money to build tunnels and weapons and using their people as shields
I think this has historically been true, but Israel's religious rightwing turn has been very destructive and anti-growth. Of course as Israel is a democracy and we are allowed to be honest about this, there is more hope for a U-Turn. You will get zero pushback from elites if you point out the problems of the Israeli religious right, but tremendous pushback and accusations of Islamophobia if you do the same for Palestinians.
There is almost no hope Palestinian society will reform because there is no honesty, internal or external, over the root problems (embrace of violent Islamism and allowing themselves to be a Iranian proxy, which works completely against their own interests).
Pretty sure the root cause is the blockade and periodic murder sprees.
I dunno. Seems the IDF slaughtered a lot Jews recently.
Vic, go join the resistance and get you head stoved in.
But I'm really not sure how massacring 10s of thousands of children and starving to death what will likely be even more somehow keeps the Jews from being slaughtered.
Your plan to placate radical Islam is a joke.
They'll get the message through force, or we can go round for round
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Don't look now to Israel, it could be your homeland. Holy Wars.
How do you suppose they mend fences, the Israelis and Palestinians?
God bless the optimists, but nothing suggests this will end well. All pretense
Listened to a very interesting Sam Harris podcast with a geopolitical strategist named "Peter Zeihan." He views everything through a realpolitik geopolitical tense; nothing about Islam or genocide or any other emotionally charged language.
Anyways, he predicts moving forward the US will pull back from the region entirely and go into a more isolationist period of their history. He says this has actually been what the US has quietly been doing since the first George Bush. Ironically, he said the
Just the usual US nationalist bollocks, then.
He also mentions it would be trivially easy to cripple Iran economically if the US ever decided to do so. Their entire oil export infrastructure is a single port which is highly vulnerable. The US could literally destroy Iran's entire economy in one day. However, he says Iran has (correctly so far) gambled the US has no interest in doing this...
See above.
He says Europe, especially Germany, will be the big losers in all of this. The main reason is their inverted age pyramid which will cause their economies to literally collapse when they run out of economically productive young people to pay for the social welfare of older cohorts.
See above. And the US spends twice as much per head on healthcare as Western Europe, because of its bizarre commercialised medicine system.
And at the moment the US is not 'pulling back from the region', it's got C-130s dropping food aid into Gaza, though other countries have been doing it before now.
This is good, if you have the time lol
