BB With KQs
2-3 NL playing very small. Utg has played every hand in the 2 orbits hero has been there.
Hero in BB with KQss
Pre: UTG Btn sb call. Hero 20, UTG and Btn call
Flop (63) : KhJx9h
Hero 25 UTG xalls
Turn (113) : Qhhh
Check check
River (113) : 2x
Hero 25 utg 100
Interested in both river decisions.
14 Replies
What post flop reads have you had over those 18 hands?
I probably bet bigger on the flop.
River is block bet?
Thin value?
Bait to get V to spazz bluff raise?
River is weird after turn check behind, maybe it's a T that has decided you don't have a flush or a bad flush that didn't want to get stacks in but decides that won't happen now?
Would probably call, because of VPIP, but heavily weighted to what I've seen him do those other hands.
I would bet the turn still but as played I would of bet more otr to around 45, then if he raised I can easily fold. Being that you only bet 25 again, is he the type to pick up on weakness and bluff? It really depends on him totally here, it can go either way. If I don't know him I will lean towards folding.
I call then
Bet bigger on flop. Bet turn. If you are going to check turn, check/call reasonable bet or bet/fold river.
I don't think fish are good enough to find bluffs here. (Are there even any bluffs here?) From my experience these guys who limp every hand are very strong when they actually bother to raise.
I like the idea of blocking to get value from worse 2 pair or even top pair if he's a real station but once he raises you gotta fold
River is too thin. Check and possibly check call. Absent a reason to think villain has bluffs, spazzes, or overvalues some worse two pair hand, I think I lean towards folding.
I assume you river bet $25 to induce a raise and you got it, so is your question to just call or re-raise ?
based on how it was played and there are flushes & straights out there I just call
River is very thin, but I am not sure check/calling is any better than betting.
If I bet, I'd probably go slightly bigger, like ~40, so that I have an easier fold when raised, but that is just me.
As played, it's most probably a fold.
Just check-call river. This hand was made to bluff-catch.
Disagree this hand was made to bluff catch. One liner to straight and 3 hearts and we unblock all of that.
Fold.
V's played every hand for two orbits, and....checks back a straight or flush on the turn?
Okay, maybe he does, which is why we don't bet river.
But if check turn, AND check river, we're inducing a bet, either for value or as a bluff. If we're under-repping our hand to induce a bet, it seems like we should just check-call, unless V has shown that he simply doesn't bluff on scary boards, even when action gets checked to him twice.
AP, we have to fold, though even at that...our river bet is the same size as our flop bet. That same-bet sizing is often seen as fishy/bluffy, and will induce bluff-raises. I'd have liked it better if we check-called, or just bet 40% pot with a plan to fold if V raised.
I don’t think the river block is gto but most fish at 2-3 aren’t looking to bluff raise rivers against a decent player. I think they don’t know what to do and just call with top pair or bad 2 pair. I also think they bet turn for protection with better.
That said we will never know what he had as I folded.
To play devil's advocate, his VPIP 100 might make him a fish, but it also might make him the type of LAG-fish that will liberally bluff in a spot like this.
Rare breed of fish, perhaps, but they're out there in the player pool.
Just the same, as played, unless we have evidence to suggest he's capable of bluff raising here, we have to fold.
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