Tom Dwan - the missing man
How convenient is it that he just falls off the face of the earth after issuing and bailing half way through a 50k hand challenge when he goes down over a million dollars?
He come out a year or so ago and said that he has this "big" problem with FTP that he would address once he had a decent nights sleep, what ever happened here?
He agreed to pay penalties on a monthly basis for not playing an agreed amount of hands with jungle, did cates ever receive any of the penalty money? I think it's about time the community got some answers. There was a lot of money placed on the outcome of the match which never got resolved, as you can imagine anyone who took jungle's side must be pretty aggrieved.
Ike and Justin bonomo was both judges along with Ivey being escrow, from what I remember Ivey wanted nothing to do with any of the decision making after dwan went AWOL which lead to phil sending jungle his 500k back. What's the point of having judges in any bet if they can't actually enforce any rulings?
If anyone else had bailed on a bet of this size when he should have escrowed the 1.5million it would be a much bigger deal.
To add to that he's listed to play in the 500k super high roller at the aria
Massive narcissist vibes from Dwan. Classic serial scammer mindset.
If the pit degen rumors are even partially true, you can add *degen* between serial and scammer.
As an admitted conspiracy theorist, I believe Tom and others that may owe "large debts," generally owe more than one person, and there is a hierarchy amongst the people that they owe regardless of the specific amount. Within that hierarchy sometimes a person like him can find safety/protection in the form of money (to continue to play) or intimidation to other owed parties. "Hey he owes me too, but if you mess with him or do anything detrimental to his ability to play poker and ability to make ANY of us our money back, then we have a problem." I think people have alluded to who may have been backing him overseas for high rollers etc., these are the types I believe could obtain that type of leverage in the poker community. They could also care less the amount that his old buddies are owed, and figure that these old buddies aren't capable of anything legal or illegal to bypass them in the hierarchy. This ultimately leads to the chit chat on streams and twitter wars that really don't accomplish anything.
At this point it's clear that some bigger debt collectors need their money first. Tom Dwan wouldn't ruin his reputation like this without a heavy reason.
i think dwan has been struggling to seperate reality from delusion for a while now
you cant live a mental healthy life this way and he certainly has "the look"
Has Tom Dwan become Viffer? I always thought the two had a lot in common
At this point it's clear that some bigger debt collectors need their money first. Tom Dwan wouldn't ruin his reputation like this without a heavy reason.
Hes a non paying loaner who is now at the point where there is no way to hide that he is owing out the ass. Theres no way back to salvage his reputation, thats why all he says is nonsense that in no way exonerates him. Its sorta similar to Eli Elezra who by all accounts was owing everyone for decades without the poker watching public knowing, before it blew up in his face.
I remember Elezra from the old HSP episodes, always thought he was just the usual rich business owner rec that thinks he has a chance in the game. What's his real story, did he go broke or smth like that?
Dwan I don't care that much, my impression of him was that of a lazy guy who didn't want to study and keep up to date with the game and thought he could bypass it by only playing whales. All the while being a ****ing degenerate. No susprise if he really went busto.
Disagreement on debt in the hundreds of thousands of dollars is not scamming. We don't know anything beyond 2 people have said Dwan owes them money and Dwan never denied that just what the exact number is and how they are going about it when the conclusion is in doubt.
i believe the list is up to 4 now:
Truteller
Harlabob
Jetten
Jungleman
In the interview he mentions that ACR were sorting out the paperwork for his sponsorship 3 months ago.
That is some terrible timing on their part.
Crypto is up so you to assume tom is pretty liquid or could be if he sells. No reason he can't pay.
Disagreement on debt in the hundreds of thousands of dollars is not scamming. We don't know anything beyond 2 people have said Dwan owes them money and Dwan never denied that just what the exact number is and how they are going about it when the conclusion is in doubt.
Read better please. I said that’s the angle of the story, as it is debated in court of public opinion, not that it is fact. I mean I’m sure David Lerner (Perky), the son of the Washington Nationals owner, owes Dwan a bunch a money, so maybe there needs to be some pressure on him to pay Dwan, to get the rest of the debts settled. The Lerners aren’t selling the Nationals anymore so you know they have money. Remember, Dwan’s Haralabob debt was cut down to six figures down from millions because Boosted J owed Dwan heaps.
Honestly don't think the Jetten and Harlalalalabobob stuff seem to be that clear cut. Of course it seems he's been owing them money for a long time, but calling him a scammer at this point is probably not warranted from bystanders. Not talking about the Jungle situation.
Peter Jetten is as honest and respectable a person as there is in the poker world. Sucks that former friends have to fall out over money, tho.
Everyone knew Dwan had a history of not paying his debts after the Durrr challenge with Jungleman, so why seasoned professional gamblers like Haralabob and Peter Jetten, thought he would start paying his debts, a decade later is unfathomable.
Haralob and Jetten are donkeys and need to take personal responsibility.
I mean Dwan isn't paying and will never pay.
That's not a troll. It's a fact.
I’ve always said Dwan was the most overrated player in poker. He was just a bad player that was a big luckbox. Maybe people can finally start agreeing with me on this.
In the early days of online poker, when people would only 3 bet you with QQ and AK plus, I think it's pretty obvious Tom had a massive edge.
Whether, he has an edge now is debatable.
Neither of these cases are even instances where they loaned him money. Not that it would negate your victim blaming mentality.
One instance was Peter selling action to Dwan and essentially free rolling Peter in tourneys. He had no intention to pay for the action but 100% he woulda taken the winnings had Peter binked.
The other instance was Haralabob betting alongside Dwan in prop bets and essentially free rolling him as well. On the spectrum of welching free rolling is worse than borrowing and not paying. He used his image and TV personality to dupe people into thinking he was trustworthy
I can’t believe ACR hasn’t told him to stfu and get off social media already. Guy digs himself a deeper hole every time he talks. But alas it appears there will once again be no repercussions to these scammers
I bet there’s another dozen stories similiar that are kept under wraps, especially given his affinity for gambling in Asia. Asians tend to keep to themselves and be tight lipped. I’d bet some would rather eat the loss than admit they were duped and make a scene. I know of one story in particular where the only way the guy got paid was to have a crew of people show up to the cage after a big win and threaten Tom. That man got paid
I'd feel bad if he scammed a recreational.
But come on. Peter Jetten and Haralobob are seasoned professional gamblers.
They have no excuses.
Everyone knew Dwan had a history of not paying his debts after the Durrr challenge with Jungleman, so why seasoned professional gamblers like Haralabob and Peter Jetten, thought he would start paying his debts, a decade later is unfathomable.
Haralob and Jetten are donkeys and need to take personal responsibility.
Yeah I think it's a fair point that after the durrr challenge, there is no discernable reason to loan him money. But even so, you'd think getting him to place a bet for you would be low-risk... unless he's a scammer.
Read better please. I said that’s the angle of the story, as it is debated in court of public opinion, not that it is fact. I mean I’m sure David Lerner (Perky), the son of the Washington Nationals owner, owes Dwan a bunch a money, so maybe there needs to be some pressure on him to pay Dwan, to get the rest of the debts settled. The Lerners aren’t selling the Nationals anymore so you know they have money. Remember, Dwan’s Haralabob debt was cut down to six figures down from millions because Boos
Get outta here with your actual info
Shout out to whoever was behind the "Privateworld" account that was posting here about Dwan's shenanigans (among others) about 10 years ago and got banned.
I'd feel bad if he scammed a recreational.
But come on. Peter Jetten and Haralobob are seasoned professional gamblers.
They have no excuses.
It's just bizarre that you seem to be willing to absolve Tom of any and all culpability because Jetten and Haralobob "should've known better." That's why you seem like a troll, because it requires a pretty obvious level of intellectual dishonesty to do that
I think it's been pretty clearly established why it was likely worth the risk for Bob at least, but he obviously takes some level of blame, as I think is the case with most gambling debts. But this being true doesn't mean that Tom doesn't appear quite scummy for refusing to pay. Both of these things can be true at the same time
Definitely takes a certain kind of person to be entirely unwilling to place any blame whatsoever on a person who routinely welches on debts lol
