Tom Dwan - the missing man

In the context of whether someone is banned or not banned, its the same in that it gets you banned. You cannot complain about being banned in either scenario, that's what I was saying. Whether or not you go to jail is beyond the scope of what I was saying.

By rules I also mean casino policy. There's no material difference between the two in the context of whether you are allowed to play or not.

Just discovered this scamming tool who paints his head blocked me

Sure there is. One is literally cheating and illegal and you can go to jail. The other is frowned upon.

Also generally speaking you won't be banned from the casino for card counting especially solo counting. You'll be told not to play bj anymore.

If I walk up and sucker punch someone in the back of the head I'll also be banned from the casino. It's hardly analogous to winning at sports betting or blackjack.

I actually agree with you casinos should have the right to not take your business. But they're often so unethical about it including violating gaming laws trying to weasel out of paying people on winning sports bets,refusing to cash out chips,lying to try and get people to to show them ID to database them etc.

Ah, the coveted Nick “Nit” Vertucci, reaching out from the depths to pull himself back into his sketchy little spotlight.

What better way to re-introduce himself to the poker world than by inviting a drugged out megalodon whale to his podcast.

Wonder how long it will be before they start arguing about which one of them owes more money.

Because a poker player isn't regulated by the government or bound to any laws or even obligated to play poker. I mean, how is this even remotely the same thing?

The point is, sports betting and casinos are basically government entities (some states are actually the operators and then have some company manage the operation. Oregon, for example, does this by running it through Draftkings.) it should be pretty obvious why banning a winning player through a regulated sportsbook should be illegal. It would be like Powerball not paying out a 500 million dollar jackpot. They are going to make money because 98-99% of bettors are going to be lifetime losers.

The solution is to offer set limits for all the players where everyone is limited to the same amount and the government could mandate a minimum (say, a player could wager up to $10k on an NFL game or on the NFL in a single day but books could set their own limit for all of their players.) Maybe it makes it impossible for someone to make it their full time job, but at least you can be a winning player.

it's actually mind boggling how chicken **** some limits are on these sites. for example on betmgm my max win for any bet is about 30 dollars. fanduel my limits are all a joke and mainline nba moneylines and spreads my max win allowed is about 150 dollars. there's not reason on major pro sports moneylines anyone shouldn't be allowed to bet 10k minimum.

This Poker News article is impossible to listen to, and I love Tom.
It's just rambling on rambling on rambling and detour after detour.

So, I'll just say... ... yeah, no when the 2nd guy messaged me, anyway, no he didn't say half. But I mean half was discussed with someone I won't name... Did I agree to half? Well let me first just say there was a guy who initially wanted half... Well I'll stop there, no... ... ... But ya 50% IDK man, like don't be weird, I guess I'll give more details later

It’s funny how people not paying debts always pull “I’m not denying I owe, just saying I owe less than they say” without even paying the lower amount. ��

There is a reason you just dislike it. So long as the pros can't bet enough they get overwhelmed in volume by the fools so the bookie is never taking a major risk.

The long and short of this is Tom clearly owes the money to whoever, he's clearly busto and is rambling trying to make it sound more confusing than it is so he can dodge a black and white answer. Maybe in his head he thinks this make up or whatever else that is separate to these debts, is not separate, but it seems like a desperate attempt to muddle it all together so nobody can form an opinion which gives him a get out clause for PR reasons, as it's so complicated and not cut and dry, when it really likely is - that is unless he hasnt been sent the accounting - then of course you can;t be expected to pay something without having the figures. He seems incredibly desperate and him using an excuse of how someone speaks to him or the way they go about it, that it 'tilts him', so he doesn't give them a coherent answer is another diversion tactic. Guy is clearly completely ****ed and anyone who can't see this is a moron.

the reason is simply incompetence and these places not actually knowing how to book. there are a few real sportsbooks left in vegas and they do really well bc they know how to actually use information and how to set lines.

it's not me merely disliking it- it's bad business for them. I get limiting people to dust on obscure markets you can really beat for a lot even though I don't like it. Player props, some obscure football conference , wnba sure have at it.
But when you limit people to dust on something so mainstream like nba and nfl moneyline you just don't know what the hell you're doing. If you can't take 10k from a known pro winner on an NFL spread bet for example who has maybe a 3-4 percent edge on the bet and use that info to adjust your lines you should be embarrassed.

There's are several reasons most of these legal sportsbooks that have popped up since 2018 will never make a dollar and why many have already closed up shop.They simply don't know what the hell they're doing. A big reason is Limiting people after 10 or 20 bets which means you end up kicking out tons of long term losers b/c they got lucky over a meaningless sample size or not being able to properly use info they're given for next to no money relatively speaking.

Tell me you have literally no idea what you are talking about and no one should ever pay any attention to anything you have to say without telling me you literally have no idea what you are talking about and no one should ever pay any attention to anything you have to say.

it's what scumbags do. it's almost as tired as people who take forever to pay acting like they're doing you a favor when they throw you a few scraps.

Would be grateful for any help finding any podcasts that have been made about Durrr and his debts. Keep seeing mentions in the thread but haven’t actually found the podcasts. Thanks in advance to anyone who might have links.

Whether or not it's illegal has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I was talking about why you are not allowed to do it, not the seriousness of what's being done.

The whole reason you are not allowed to mark cards is because it breaks the game and makes it -EV for them. The whole reason you are not allowed to count cards is because it breaks the game and makes it -EV for them. That is the equivalency I was pointing out.

That's because it's not simply "frowned upon", it's prohibited. You are told to stop, and that you will get banned if you continue to break this policy. The fact that it's not serious enough for an instant perma ban or to be arrested is irrelevant to the what I was saying.

The reason being nobody should ever be obligated to take -EV bets, whether that's the players or the casino. Other posters here clearly disagree with that, so maybe you can try arguing with them. I will choose one wrong word and then the discussion will turn into something completely different from what I was talking about.

They're the same thing in that they make money by taking +EV bets and avoiding -EV bets. Something being regulated or a govt entity doesn't magically obligate them to take -EV bets. That is called begging the question. You have to explain why that would obligate them to take -EV bets, otherwise that's not an argument, just an assertion.

Currently the law is on my side that they can ban winning sports betters. I see no problem with this because placing sports bets is not a human right, and they are trying to run a profitable company. You can be confused about my position all you want but at least I'm presenting an actual argument, not a baseless assertion.

Is there a link to this thread or was it deleted?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/ne...

I just watched the rambling 45 min interview and Tom appears incapable of putting a cogent thought together. I just heard the incoherent ramblings of someone whose mind seems to be deteriorating.

Kinda sad. Even though I’m a few years older than Tom I used to admire him quite a bit, back in the HSP days, when I was playing a lot more.

He clearly owes all these guys exactly what they say he does. Tom has no credibility at all. It’s possible his brain is so fried and deluded that he legit thinks he doesn’t. I wonder what happened to him; or, more specifically, his faculties.

I only watched about 15 min and it's clear something is really off with him. If it were a spoiled teenager saying these things it would almost make sense, but he seems like he's not all there. It's hard to listen to. His excuse-making is absolutely off the charts.

Potty mouth Tom

Why is a 45 year old man using the phrase "clap back" in his video title?

A 10 vpip nit who pretends he'd a tough guy even though he can't handle an ounce of criticism.