A thread for unboxing AI

Just on the point of cracking asymmetric encryption - this would rely on a new efficient algorithm for integer factorisation, finding discrete logarithms, or finding rational points on elliptic curves, depending on the specific cryptographic implementation of the asymetric key protocol (RSA is one, and it uses integer factorisation). I believe that the consensus within the scientific community is that no such algorithm exists other than for quantum computers, but its non-existence has not been proven.

I never said that climate change was a literal existential risk to humans on the order of the most severe meteor strikes in Earth's history. For that matter, it is highly unlikely that a true nuclear war would result in the complete extinction of humans.

The algo exists for quantum computing (Shor's algo) and the idea would exactly be using AI to scale quantum computer development to reach the thousands of qbit at a cheap cost level.

Ofc maybe that's never going to happen, but it's not a "meteor swarm hits the planet" kind of per year probability, it's quite higher imo (and growing in time).

Yes we can encrypt in quantum resistant ways (or so we think), but are we doing it?

I think the best that's been done with Shor's algorithm in practice so far is to factor 15, but I get your point.

I suspect that there are other illnesses that would be much more dangerous than airborne Ebola. Ebola is incredibly incapacitating. If you have symptoms, you are unlikely to be traveling without assistance, which reduces the chances of widespread transmission. And a significant number of people who contract Ebola die relatively quickly, although death rates obviously would be lower in countries that have better healthcare than Sudan, DRC, and other areas where there have been Ebola outbreaks.

Ye but it's the perfect weapon for permanent panic anyway.

How do you prevent it from being spread in airports, train stations, metro stations and so on?

It's like being able to do terrorist attacks at any time, anywhere, with no defense available, and very low cost.

I am not thinking airborne ebola -> human extinction.

Rather pretty soon very nasty terrorist attack tools will.be available to anyone, or could be

I certainly would panic if I contracted Ebola.

It's when not if. The day is called Q-day. There are new encryption methods to cope

It can't be stopped - defense alone dictates that it ca'nt be stopped. It's use can be regulated for example government could require face recognition/etc tech not to be racist before it can be deployed. This sort of good regulation will speed up development more than slow it.

AI is dangerous. Pretending we can prevent it would be far more so.

I agree with musk that we mustn't let AI be owned.

I think you are confusing quantum computing with AI. There are developments being made in leaps and bounds in both fields, but they are (fairly) independent of one another.

Yeah I was referring to quantumn.

I include robotics in the topic as well if that helps. And 3d printing

Who is Neuralink's first ever human trial patient? Former athlete Noland Arbaugh, 29, was left paralyzed after a diving accident at a children's camp eight years ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/w...

I think this goes back to the sex bot.

Humping something that looks like a pretty woman, no matter how convincing, really wouldn't do much for me. I want a partner who is actually experiencing pleasure and some other things.

It varies by individual though. Like, some people don't enjoy sex with prostitutes for similar reasons. Others don't care.

Some similar stuff. For me a cgi car chase can be passable but never as good as real stunt work.

I can enjoy electronic music to a point. Watching someone press play will never even approach watching world class musicians perform.

Of course, some prefer edm, cgi and even prostitution.

Is this because I'm old and/or not conditioned to these things? Maybe in part. But I think there is more to it.

Part of it is also empathy I think. Like, seeing another person with jaw dropping musical skill brilliantly expressing themselves themselves is cool because you understand that the are pushing the boundaries of human capability. And you feel what they feel. You connect with them, or at least think you do.

Maybe some people will never really embrace AI generated experiences because of this. Maybe we are on a path to erasing or reducing things like empathy and curiosity in favor of like, a passive, solipsistic consumerism.

"Hey you kids, get off my lawn!" - random Babylonian dude named Belshazzar, 482 BC

This has been going on since the dawn of time.

Also, you're equating the sex robot to the blow-up dolls you and your buddies found in the alley when you were kids. The sex robot of the future will talk to you about all your favorite anime in a manner indistinguishable from a real human being, and it'll drain itself into the toilet when you're finished like a real woman does now.

You want someone to please because actual human interaction is your personal baseline for experiencing the world. That's not a guarantee for future humans. All it's going to take is COVID 2.0 and some moderate advancements to AI-assisted learning for people to freak out and forbid entire generations of children from ever leaving the house. I'm pretty sure the 90s was the last decade where kids actually played outside, unsupervised, with their friends from the neighborhood. By the 2000s we were on to cell phones and AOL instant messenger. All down hill from there as far as human interaction goes.

I was trying to hold out on giving my kids their own cell phones until after high school. My youngest son made it to his senior year, but I gave in and bought my daughter one right away as a freshman. It was abundantly clear by 8th grade that she would've just been a social pariah, and I'm a pragmatist.

I've heard that the dating scene is a complete and utter shitshow nowadays, which only further increases the likelihood that sex robot tech gets the investment it needs to prosper.

I'm guessing I'll have grandchildren by 2030. I'm sure I'll be back here lamenting the fact that it's impossible to find any infant toys that don't have a screen and AI-powered content that requires a subscription.

Whatever path we're on as a society is not going to end well. But then again, that's probably what Belshazzar thought as well.

I really don't think the sex robots are going to be psychical robots like Sico with a skirt on in Rocky 3.

Rather it would be more like Total Recall where we can live the life of Hugh Hefner while in our recliner wearing a lucid dream formation headset from facebook.

Yeah, you're probably right.

See, this is my own imagination not being able to think beyond that human interaction.

"Where we're going, we don't need people." - Doc Brown, 2035.

I gave smartphones to my kids when they were 5 which is why they never gave too much importance to them and live life normally close to how we lived it when we were kids.

The only difference is that thanks to leftists criminality is much higher (in most of Italy outside big cities we literally knew everyone and coul leave the house door open, not so much now thanks to the glorious immigration) so they have less independence going around

Is there any societal I'll that leftists are not responsible for?

Malinvestment in unregulated markets isn't leftist driven.

IE 5000 shitcoins appearing, some of the smartest kids of this generation peddling them instead of contributing to real quality of life.

Religiosity in general with many of the negatives still exists (albeit very weakened) and it isn't leftist driven.

War on drug, gop and rightwing conservatives in general are currently more responsible for it than the left, in the USA and elsewhere.

But in general given the cultural clout of the left is immensely stronger (for now), the left can shape society more than the right, so bad outcomes are necessarily more often left-caused than right-caused.

They will appear to feel because that's what people want. People will have empathy with them. Then one day they argue about rights.

Despite the fact they will incraesingly appear to feel, some will insist they cannot feel because ... The arguments will become increasingly desperate because all we know about others is that they appear to feel. People will demand that society has some consideration to the entities they have empathy with.

Empathy is not some high bar. We have empathy with pets/animals which is why we have charities and laws etc. I've had a bit of empathy with some ants although **** em.

Is it possible for AGI to ever be developed? Most AI researchers anticipate it may ex...

Is it possible to develop a "conscious" being without being able to quantify consciousness?

AGI doesn't require consciousness as a philosophical element, we aren't even sure how to define consciousness or what it exactly is for humans.

It just needs an appearance of consciousness.

AGI also just needs to be better than the best human being at any intellectual tasks.

It's not obvious we will be able to develop an AI better at everything we do anytime soon, but better at many (most?) things it's quite probable.

Why is AGI particularly important as a threshold? Because under the assumption it will also be better at improving intelligence itself (that's one intellectual task after all), once it is better than humans at doing so it's self-accelerating and exponential within the limits of physics.

We actually don't need true AGI, just an AI better at increasing AI intelligence than humans are and from there it's very close to the singularity

Exponentiality isn't implied. That sort of singularity is pretty much a fallacy

Fast diminishing returns is more likely

Exponential within time, it's implicit that the resource constrains will exist (hence the "within the limits of physics" caveat).

Diminishing returns per resource invested (a unit of compute for example) is expected, but an AI smarter than humans will be able to muster more resources and use the same better and better (as it gets smarter and smarter).

A smarter than human AI will yield better chips, organize them better, optimize algos better and so on (and perhaps have some further for now unexpected breakthrough in training approaches)