Playground Poker Club (Kahnawake, QC)

Playground Poker Club (Kahnawake, QC)

Seeing as how my TR and several posts discussing Playground Poker in the Casino de Montreal thread was deleted, I figured we may as well start a new thread for Playground. For those who don't know, Playground is a new poker club that opened in Montreal. It's located on the Kahnawake reserve, meaning it is not limited by Quebec's gaming laws which in practice means they can serve food and alcoholic beverages on the tables and spread PLO.

Side note: For non-Canadians and Canadians who may need some refreshing of high school social studies, aboriginal reserves are self governing; they do not fall into the Canadian provincial or federal system. Which means if the governing body on the reserve allows PLO to be spread and alcohol to be drunk on the tables, any club on the reserve can spread PLO and serve alcohol on the tables without any legal repercussions from the provincial or federal government.

Now, off to the TR.

I was at Playground on their second day. Some dealers and servers told me missing opening day was a blessing in disguise as it was much more packed and much more hectic. I made the trip over to play in their freebuy ($0 to enter, $50 to rebuy) tournament and their $100 NLHE freeze out. We will come to my performances at the tournaments shortly.

Playground is very comfortable and enjoyable room to play in. They have huge adjustable swivel chairs for the players. The decor is modern and simple with almost a nightclub-ish vibe. It appeals to a younger crowd but at the same time, doesn't keep old school card players away. The dealers and floor men were all friendly, welcoming and accommodating. Before the tournament started, the dealers didn't mind - and rather enjoyed - chatting with players about the club, the house rules, the weather, etc. The cocktail waitresses are HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT. To avoid being a misogynist pig, let me just leave it at this: they are all 8.5 or above. Food wise, I hadn't eaten much from their menu but what I had, I really liked. They make a mean burger. A lot of fellow players agreed that the food is very good.

If you really wanted me to be nit picky, I suppose I could say some of the dealers could use a bit more experience and training. However, all the dealers that dealt with me (pun fully intended) were friendly and professional and they all tried their hardest. Hiring new and younger dealers is expected from a new club and they could only get better with time. Also, the wait time for food and drink was a bit long but then again, the club was packed.

The club also arranged for Mike McDonald (Timex), Eric Cajelias, and some other pros to make appearances during the opening weekend; they sat at 1/2 tables. They made an announcement over the PA system that anyone who bluffs out a pro on the river gets $500 prize. It's a shame I didn't have a chance to play with them as I was busy grinding away at the tourneys. For those who care to see how I performed, read on. For those who do not, feel free to post your own questions, comments, etc.

So, registered for the free buy tournament. Started off running pretty meh. Getting dealt a lot of unplayable or marginal hands. Atleast I wasn't getting dealt strong hands that turn into second best on the river. I managed to make it almost to the second break. By that point, my stack was around 10bb so I decided to bluff shove suited connectors/1 gappers in position. 34ss got called by AQ and AQ held so I'm out. Went and got some food, chilled out, watched some sports on TV, and rebooted for the second tournament, the $100 NLHE freeze out.

Again, started off running pretty meh. I did set over set somebody and hit a flush draw vs a short stacker but I did not see a single flop voluntarily until level 4. During the middle stages, I was perpetually short stacked. I would repeatedly bluff shove or double up then find myself back down to 10-15bb as the blinds doubled the next hand. However, my tight image paid off as I got away with a couple quick ones. I shipped KQ on the button, short stacked and BB tank folds AQ, shows it to me, and says he's convinced I had AA, KK, or AK. Phew, that was close. After continuous short stacking play, I find myself at the final table. Whoohoo! First hand of the FT and last hand before a break, I'm UTG and look down at 2 beautiful aces. With 10 BBs left, there can be nothing more beautiful, not even that really cute chick I was about to knock out. I decided to stop 'n go as there's a LAG and a couple short stackers to my left. I limped the AA, LAG raises, cute chick/short stacker shoves, I shove on top and the LAG folds AJ face up. The other short stacker flips over 88 and I hold. However, it turns out she covers me by 2K chips which was less than a small blind at the time. When it became 7 or 8 handed, there were discussions of a chop. I would consistently refuse to chop and it really pissed off the guy on my left. He kept pestering me to chop until I yelled at him.

Whirlwind of flying cards and chips later, we find ourselves 4 handed. It was a bloody grueling game. There were a couple levels where we just exchanged blinds and antes. Then one guy was knocked out and the 3 of us exchanged blinds and antes. Then I knocked out the third guy and find myself heads up with the guy who kept pestering me to chop. I think he was still pissed I wouldn't chop so he said he'd shove every hand and call all my shoves. I totally didn't mind as I shipped 88 against his K6 and hold (actually, door card was an 8). Boom $2250 (yeah that doesn't seem like much but I'm a student/micro stakes grinder. It meant a bit to me) and a bag of free schwag with Playground Poker logos on them like caps and pens and stuff.

I'd like to give a shout out to Brent. He's a cool guy in general and a competent and friendly floor man in particular.

Yep, that's about what I have to say about Playground. I'd urge any Montrealer who hasn't yet to make a trip over and any card playing tourists should give it a spin as well.

22 December 2010 at 08:42 AM
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I visited playground on new years weekend for the first time. It is basically a full scale casino at this point with poker on the third floor. Room is nice, seems well run. Rake is absurdly high. I played 1/2 NL and the rake was 10% up to $10 with drops for BBJ and promo. The first table I was at was full of elderly people with 30bb stacks playing very tight. Did a table change and it was somewhat better. I will likely go back a time or two more but with rake like that, I hesitate to spend too much time at the tables there.

What are others thoughts of the games there?


by timesnewboston k

I visited playground on new years weekend for the first time. It is basically a full scale casino at this point with poker on the third floor. Room is nice, seems well run. Rake is absurdly high. I played 1/2 NL and the rake was 10% up to $10 with drops for BBJ and promo. The first table I was at was full of elderly people with 30bb stacks playing very tight. Did a table change and it was somewhat better. I will likely go back a time or two more but with rake like that, I hesitate to spend too m

Ive never came close to seeing the type of table you described. Rake is pretty bad but if you play at night having more people having free drinks make up for it. Food is good like Ive said before but the portions and menu selection has gotten slighly worse since the room move. Im a bit torn on the new room. Way lower ceiling makes the poker area feel more cramped. I dont know if theres more tables now but everything is closer together. Theres only poker on floor 3 so there are no slots players walking past poker anymore which is going to lose some new players overall. I hate the new back entrance, its like 5 minutes more to get to the poker area now. Overall the move seems slightly worse in a bunch of ways. Still the best place in Canada to play by a large margin. 😉


Wen hotel


Does anyone know how to book with the Host Hotel? Their website is unresponsive.

Also do they still not police stack sizes during table changes? Was shocked when I was there that once you get called for table change and grab the new table chip, appeared to be nothing stopping someone from ratholing or adding onto their stack and just telling the new dealer that's what they had at the previous table.


by TRUSTtheDRAWCESS k

Does anyone know how to book with the Host Hotel? Their website is unresponsive.

Also do they still not police stack sizes during table changes? Was shocked when I was there that once you get called for table change and grab the new table chip, appeared to be nothing stopping someone from ratholing or adding onto their stack and just telling the new dealer that's what they had at the previous table.

No idea about Host hotel. And for the opening of the pg hotel; nobody knows, but i would guess its a MINIMUM of 6 months from now.

The rules at PG about a table change is that u must reset ur stake between the table limits. However if ur coming from a broken table , u must keep the same stack.

-jpp


by PiquetteAces k

No idea about Host hotel. And for the opening of the pg hotel; nobody knows, but i would guess its a MINIMUM of 6 months from now.

The rules at PG about a table change is that u must reset ur stake between the table limits. However if ur coming from a broken table , u must keep the same stack.

-jpp

Really? I never knew this, and when I was there I would just take whatever I had and xfer with it. Nobody said anything and I figured I was doing as expected.


Here's 2 sessions from a vlogger who just played in the 5/10 game. Pretty much echos what I said a few pages back. Dont expect it to be as easy as USA's 5/10. The 2/5 and lower are still really good though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scy0uN1g...


by AAJTo k

Here's 2 sessions from a vlogger who just played in the 5/10 game. Pretty much echos what I said a few pages back. Dont expect it to be as easy as USA's 5/10. The 2/5 and lower are still really good though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scy0uN1g...

Kinda makes sense since 5/10 is the biggest non private game at pg, while in the US you can get up to 25/50 public games.
You’ll get a good 5-10 once in awhile but its very hit or miss.


What's the max BI @ 5/10? 1k?


by refinedsugar k

What's the max BI @ 5/10? 1k?

500/2500 and its usulay played as 5-10-20 ..... but its a player agreement , the dealer or managers cant enforce it if a player doesnt want to do it.

-jpp


Thanks. I tried looking thru their website but I couldn't find the info. Is 2/5 still capped at 500?


by refinedsugar k

Thanks. I tried looking thru their website but I couldn't find the info. Is 2/5 still capped at 500?

200-800

rake 5% max 16 and 2$ if the pot reach 20$ for BBJ & promo

-jpp


Anyone here play or played in the semi private games? 10/25/50 NL and PLO games. I'm more interested in the PLO and wondering how "easy" it is to get a seat in it? Seems like it has been running a bit more lately, a few times a week sometime. Do they have a min max buy ins on those?


by boltonflats k

Anyone here play or played in the semi private games? 10/25/50 NL and PLO games. I'm more interested in the PLO and wondering how "easy" it is to get a seat in it? Seems like it has been running a bit more lately, a few times a week sometime. Do they have a min max buy ins on those?

It's easy enough to get a seat if it isn't full and it's your first time, after that depends on how they like you, if you give action, play fast, aren't a robot etc. Min buy in is 1.5k max is 10k or half of what you're down


can anyone confirm they just increased the rake?


Confirmed.


10% 11$ max at 1/2 and 1/3 (100-500buyin, new limit)

10% 14 max at 2-5 (200-1000 now) and 5/10

Used to be 5% 16 max (200-800)


The new rake is probly a good news for the 5-5 PLO ' players , cuz its usually played auto-straddle and most of the pots were allready raked to the max .....

i'd say break even for the 5-10 ....

Where it is catastrophic, its for the 2-5 players. It will almost double the avg rake per hand because ; i would say that 75% of the pots at 2-5 are smaller than 140$.

U raise 20 preflop , only bb defend , u c-bet , he fold; Profit is 22$ , but there is 4$ rake + 2$ bbj/promo + 1$ tip. So , its very bad for small pots, And the new max from 800 to 1000 wont change the avg size of pot significantly.

-jpp


Pretty gross. As time goes on poker is going to be as unplayable in Canada as EU.


Really Excited regarding the upcoming WSOP-C and WPT Tournaments at the Club! Good to see these events back, it's been too long!
I'm hoping/assuming they will soon add some WSOP(Main Event) qualifying dates as well!!??


Is playground well equipped to host big turnout mtts? Do you think they will have to cap entries/use alternates? Or can you just show up morning of and get a seat?

It's a few hour drive for me so don't want to come if it's anything like the toronto series where entries were capped and you had to register ahead of time.


They should be able to handle these. They have the new room with run off available in the old area. They just ran a couple of WPT Global Events Recently, $1,500 & $1,100, buy ins with like 1,300 & 1,100 runners without any issues.


by Joe-exotic69 k

10% 11$ max at 1/2 and 1/3 (100-500buyin, new limit)

10% 14 max at 2-5 (200-1000 now) and 5/10

Used to be 5% 16 max (200-800)

Very disappointed in this as a 2-5 player.


yeah massive rake trap and bad move of playground, they get greedy overtime

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