"Bro just call w/ AK OOP"
1/3 NLHE 9 handed.
Table is typical loose passive, stacks are not that deep with a lot of people sitting on 150-250. A couple deeper stacks are bleeding down.
V - Just a typical loose passive, never seen him before. 250$ MP.
H - Has been tight and folding. Covers SB.
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Six limps to H in SB who sees A♠ K♦ and pumps to 30, only V calls, HU OOP.
Flop 65 - Q♥ 6♣ 3♦
With 220 back and SPR of about 3.5, H checks, V looks like he wants to bet but then checks back.
Turn 65 - 9♣
H checks again, V bets 75 eagerly, H folds.
Dealer (who plays regularly himself) looks at H's hand and tells H "Bro just call there OOP"
Thoughts?
1/3 NLHE 9 handed.
Table is typical loose passive, stacks are not that deep with a lot of people sitting on 150-250. A couple deeper stacks are bleeding down.
V - Just a typical loose passive, never seen him before. 250$ MP.
H - Has been tight and folding. Covers SB.
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Six limps to H in SB who sees A♠ K♦ and pumps to 30, only V calls, HU OOP.
Flop 65 - Q♥ 6♣ 3♦
With 220 back and SPR of about 3.5, H checks, V looks like he wants to bet but then checks back.
Turn 65 - 9♣
H checks again, V bets 75 eagerly, H fo
Ask the dealer where he plays when he's off work because you'd love to join him.
Calling preflop is definitely not the standard play.
Sometimes you can cbet here, say $20, as you would with your pairs, but it is going to look weak. Turn fold seems obvious
Seems a bit off from the dealer there, although probably not enough to kick up a fuss, assuming the table dynamic is generally friendly.
I think this is fine. You could consider a triple barrel, but OOP against a "typical loose passive" that's probably not the widest idea. Turn play is fine on this card against this opponent
Looks like you got a read and took advantage of it. Well played. You should appreciate the dumb preflop advice, because presumably he gives stupid advice to fish who listen as well.
I would just cbet this drier than a popcorn fart flop. Theory would go small but players will overdefend here so I'd go a little bigger to like 40 probably. Check turn if unimproved.
As played its fine, nothing wrong with checking flop, and definitely folding turn for 75 with just ace high.
Wondering if this would be a more +EV line long run though - Just take a flop OOP, hit your A or K and then bet?
Napkin calculation assuming we hit TPTK 1/3 times - I lose 2*30 bucks so I need to win at least 60 bucks the times I hit. So another 30 post flop..meh. Maybe just better to call and go MW and x/r or donk?
Wondering why I don't live in TX if people there are going around talking about dry popcorn farts.
Too entertaining.
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As for the hand...
Most dealers who play will freely admit that many dealers are terrible players, so take his coaching with a big grain of salt.
I think your raise pre and check on flop were both fairly standard. When the flop checks through, I'd usually make a delayed c-bet on turn, but I might not if V has a tell and looks strong.
Looking like he wanted to bet flop could mean he was strong, or it could mean he thought about bluffing, and then thought better of it, until action checks to him again.
His big bet does look somewhat bluffy, given that hero checked twice. But of course it could also mean he's strong, and wants to take down the pot before the draws come in.
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Preflop is good - now the flop is a standard c-bet as it's super dry and you have a range advantage, but it sounds like you got some live read from him? If that's the case a live read > logic, but make sure that's accurate.
Wondering if this would be a more +EV line long run though - Just take a flop OOP, hit your A or K and then bet?
Napkin calculation assuming we hit TPTK 1/3 times - I lose 2*30 bucks so I need to win at least 60 bucks the times I hit. So another 30 post flop..meh. Maybe just better to call and go MW and x/r or donk?
I mean if V is betting every turn, then your turn fold was terrible.
1/3 NLHE 9 handed.
Table is typical loose passive, stacks are not that deep with a lot of people sitting on 150-250. A couple deeper stacks are bleeding down.
V - Just a typical loose passive, never seen him before. 250$ MP.
H - Has been tight and folding. Covers SB.
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Six limps to H in SB who sees A♠ K♦ and pumps to 30, only V calls, HU OOP.
Flop 65 - Q♥ 6♣ 3♦
With 220 back and SPR of about 3.5, H checks, V looks like he wants to bet but then checks back.
Turn 65 - 9♣
H checks again, V bets 75 eagerly, H fo
Find the dealer captain and tell them about this; the dealer should never, ever be looking at folded cards, let alone give playing advice while in the box.
Well played
Also never take advice from a dealer , they are some of the dumbest ppl in the industry
i think its probably a mistake to not fight for 20+ bb pots vs wide, weak ranges tbh
The nerve of this dealer lol. Not to mention he is so confidently incorrect.
I would probably cbet flop something like 3rd pot to half pot. We can hit the queen a lot, can barrel some turns, and have all the overpairs. Turn as played is just a check fold I think.
Yeh can't believe the dealer would say that. Perfect example of everyone has an opinion in life, but 95% of them are wrong.
lol the dealer's my friend, I dont care if he looks...why does everyone have a stick up their butt on here these days?
V - Just a typical loose passive, never seen him before. 250$ MP.
H - Has been tight and folding. Covers SB.
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Six limps to H in SB who sees A♠ K♦ and pumps to 30, only V calls, HU OOP.
There's 22 in the pot with your $1 blind ... you have posted a bunch of hands where you raise a single limper in position with much worse hands to $20 (~3.5x pot), now you have 6 limpers and are in the nut worst position and only make it 30 (~1.3x pot)?
You should raise more OOP, and if you are going to deviate from similar sizes then probably raise more with good hands and less with worse ones.
Yes, it's a punt for V to limp/call 66 or whatever when you raise to 30 but it's an even bigger punt when you make it 50 or more.
Also I wasn't sure if the dealer was talking about the turn.
youre surprised people pointed out what would be an egregious ettiquette lapse of a dealer looking at a mucked hand and offering unsolicited bad advice after you called attention to by naming the thread about it? and didnt mention at all that he was your friend / you were ok with it?
There's 22 in the pot with your $1 blind ... you have posted a bunch of hands where you raise a single limper in position with much worse hands to $20 (~3.5x pot), now you have 6 limpers and are in the nut worst position and only make it 30 (~1.3x pot)?
You should raise more OOP, and if you are going to deviate from similar sizes then probably raise more with good hands and less with worse ones.
Yes, it's a punt for V to limp/call 66 or whatever when you raise to 30 but it's an even bigger punt wh
What size should the raise be? If the usual open is $15, and he adds 1bb for every limper, and another for being OOP, he's only at $36. I'm just wondering if it makes a difference, if he got HU. Seems like a lot of 1/3 players will happily torch $20 to see a flop, but pump the brakes when the raise is >10bb.
If V is going to call off $30, he'll probably call off $35. I guess there's the value of avoiding rake if we think $40 or $50 will take it down pre. Not sure if that's the point you were making. The flip side is if V isn't folding for $40 or $50, it's gonna suck wheb we whiff the flop.
I also wasn't sure if dealer meant pre or on turn. Either way, probably not asking that guy for poker lessons.
I assumed the dealer was talking about the turn and his comment effectively said to the table you'd been bluffed off your hand, which would have left me feeling slightly irritated whether it was right or wrong, but if he's your mate and you're happy for him to say things like that then crack on...if it was about preflop then whatever, your raise was still standard. Hand still looks fine to me overall
Now I'm starting to wonder if the dealer wasn't just breaking OP's balls, and didn't actually mean what he said.
chill people