Covid-19 Discussion
Has the wisdom and courage to realize that the cure has now become worse than the disease. It's time to open up. Stop moving the ball.
Hospital systems have not been overwhelmed.
Ventilators are not in shortage.
Treatments are being developed.
There is no cure or vaccine. This is not going away for four years.
The devastation of the cure:
Suicide rates picking up.
Massive economic devastation which causes depression, anxiety, obesity, again increase in suicide rates and directly impacts poorer economic areas.
Alcohol sales up 51%.
Domestic Abuse on the uprise
Child abuse on the uprise.
Hospitals that do not have COVID related issues are forced to lay off doctors and nurses as there are not enough patients to economically support it, meaning they won't have the staff to deal with COVID outbreaks.
Michael Avenatti gets released from prison
We all did our part. We sheltered (here in Pennsylvania for 5 weeks already).
Open the office buildings. Open the hair saloons. Get rid of stupid mask laws.
Continue to monitor outbreaks and in areas hospital systems become threatened, reenact tougher guidelines.
LET'S GET BACK TO WORK!
And stop shaming people that want common sense solutions. Waiting for a vaccine is stupid and unpractical.
I found some other articles about this paper and it's really not that interesting. There's still no link to it, which tells me it hasn't been published yet, so likely not peer reviewed. So already that's a big strike.
This is another of those "how do you feel" questionnaire studies. Not useless, but there's no way to know if there are issues that can't be detected by the subject themselves.
As an example, if there is organ damage that increases a person's risk of certain outcomes, that isn't going
Gee, you guys really are lost without me here to find stuff for you aren't you.
Here's the study you are looking for.
Gee, you guys really are lost without me here to find stuff for you aren't you.
Here's the study you are looking for.
We're not the ones lost here, Brian. That's not it.
Yeah, so apparently that's an early version of the same study but not the updated latest version.
Oh well, I was half right.
Yeah, so apparently that's an early version of the same study but not the updated latest version.
Oh well, I was half right.
It's not the same study, Brian. This one was for a 12 week period. The one in question is for a year. Completely different.
Most importantly, the study you linked to and the recent one (most likely) are underpowered to determine what they are trying to determine. Long covid is known to be a bigger problem in severe cases of covid (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...), and the area this study was done in was highly vaccinated at the time (94%, I believe) with a far lower vaccination rate for flu. Vaccination is known to reduce the risk of long covid (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanre...).
This study is highly unlikely to make a significant change to the way we think about long covid.
It's not the same study, Brian. This one was for a 12 week period. The one in question is for a year. Completely different.
Most importantly, the study you linked to and the recent one (most likely) are underpowered to determine what they are trying to determine. Long covid is known to be a bigger problem in severe cases of covid (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...), and the area this study was done in was highly vaccinated at the time (94%, I believe) with a far
Well, according to this article it is the same study. Just an earlier version of it. The article is behind a paywall though.
The research will be presented at the European Congress of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Diseases in April but it hasn’t been published in a peer-reviewed journal.
An earlier iteration of the study, in which the researchers reported the status of participants 12 weeks after infection, was published in BMJ Public Health last year, however.
Again, Gerrard and his research colleagues found similar rates of ongoing symptoms and long-term impairment between those infected with COVID and the flu.
They concluded in the BMJ study that “long COVID may manifest as a postviral syndrome of no greater severity than seasonal influenza”.
Well, according to this article it is the same study. Just an earlier version of it. The article is behind a paywall though.
I will accept the wording "earlier iteration," sure. Not an earlier version, no (version implies same data, but cleaned up or edited, iterated implies doing more of the same process to increase the amount of data). Like I said, not materially very important either way. Clearly the same idea and same shortcomings.
You'll notice the first dataset release didn't have much effect. This one won't either. Same reason.
This was a fascinating read, and it's sure to tick off the conspiracy theory crowd, so I'm going to post it here and let anyone that wants to attack or defend it. I won't be participating in that.
I just kind of want to watch what happens 😀
https://hartmannreport.com/p/covid-this-...
COVID: This Month 4 Years Ago Trump & Kushner Put Together a Deadly, Evil Plan
Their diabolical plan, for purely political purposes, was virtually ignored by the American mainstream media…
THOM HARTMANN
MAR 14, 2024
Oh Noes..... the opening up of USA#1 was racially motivated.
Spoiler
SHOCKING!!!
Spoiler
Not Shocking
"Suddenly things began to change as the federal government stopped trying to save lives and started promoting policies (reopen America.... in mid-April) that would eventually kill — unnecessarily — a half-million Americans."
Not surprising for those paying attention that the anti-Shutdown-Of-America were/are white supremacists once it was found out how this disease affected black/brown people.
Oh Noes..... the opening up of USA#1 was racially motivated.
Spoiler
SHOCKING!!!
Spoiler
Not Shocking
"Suddenly things began to change as the federal government stopped trying to save lives and started promoting policies (reopen America.... in mid-April) that would eventually kill — unnecessarily — a half-million Americans."
Not surprising for those paying attention that the anti-Shutdown-Of-America were/are white supremacists once it was found out how this disease affected black/brown people.
This is complete nonsense as everyone including the most radical rightwing people knew the disease mostly killed very old people and almost no one else comparatively, and very old people are overwhelming more white than the rest of the population, in the USA.
So if anything an actual white supremacist would have over played his hand at COVID control given COVID killed mostly whites
This was a fascinating read, and it's sure to tick off the conspiracy theory crowd, so I'm going to post it here and let anyone that wants to attack or defend it. I won't be participating in that.
I just kind of want to watch what happens 😀
https://hartmannreport.com/p/covid-this-...
COVID: This Month 4 Years Ago Trump & Kushner Put Together a Deadly, Evil Plan
Their diabolical plan, for purely political purposes, was virtually ignored by the American mainstream media…
THOM H
So you are straight up admitting you're doing it just to troll people. Isn't that against forum rules?
It's a stupid article anyway which presents zero evidence that Trump/Kushner wanted to open up the country because it woud kill African Americans.
burn this thread to the ground
This was a fascinating read, and it's sure to tick off the conspiracy theory crowd, so I'm going to post it here and let anyone that wants to attack or defend it. I won't be participating in that.
I just kind of want to watch what happens 😀
Posting something purely to get a reaction or to tick people off (in your own words), is the definition of trolling.
You might think it's funny but it is against forum rules.
This is complete nonsense as everyone including the most radical rightwing people knew the disease mostly killed very old people and almost no one else comparatively, and very old people are overwhelming more white than the rest of the population, in the USA.
So if anything an actual white supremacist would have over played his hand at COVID control given COVID killed mostly whites
Ignoring the policy claims in the article, which is basically an exercise in begging the question, it's unarguably true that the death rate of white Americans from Covid was lower than any other ethnicity except Asian in America for the first 6-9 months of the pandemic and the death rate among black Americans was highest, particularly in the first 3 months when it was 2-3x higher than any other ethnicity.
Taking cumulative numbers since the start of the pandemic the highest death rate is among indigenous peoples and white/black and essentially the same now, with the death rate for white people having gradually caught up to the level of black people over the last 18 months.
With this being the case then far from countering the point, the age/racial demographics you mention actually provide additional evidence that Covid was disproportionally impacting black Americans early in the pandemic if so many more were dying despite generally being a younger population.
Posting something purely to get a reaction or to tick people off (in your own words), is the definition of trolling.
You might think it's funny but it is against forum rules.
I didn't say that was the only reason I was posting it. You added that part. I said is a nice little bonus.
And boy was I right.
For reference I even listed those two reasons right in my post, but you still somehow think I said it was the only reason.
I didn't say that was the only reason I was posting it. You added that part. I said is a nice little bonus.
And boy was I right.
For reference I even listed those two reasons right in my post, but you still somehow think I said it was the only reason.
The article was stupid as I said and not even worth commenting on. My reaction was to you using it to troll which you admitted in your own words, which you just repeated. Lol
Willd, a good and factual reply to Luc's post. Thx
The article was stupid as I said and not even worth commenting on. My reaction was to you using it to troll which you admitted in your own words, which you just repeated. Lol
I didn't use it to troll. I never said that word. I posted it because it was fascinating, and because it would make conspiracy theorists mad. As I said. You can call partially posting it to make conspiracy theorists mad trolling if you want, but like my post clearly says, the main reason I posted it was because I thought it was fascinating. The making mad part was a parenthetical addition for comedic effect. But I am actually entertained by it. So please, continue.
Trump voters (and repub in general) tend to be older. People who die of COVID tend to be older.
Dems get overwhelming support from young people. Covid has almost zero shot at killing young people.
Forgot to swing back and pick this one up.
Data corrected for age (and other factors) still confirms much higher excess death rate for republicans over democrats after vaccine became available.
Overall, the excess death rate for Republican voters was 2.8 percentage points, or 15%, higher than the excess death rate for Democratic voters (95% prediction interval [PI], 1.6-3.7 percentage points). After May 1, 2021, when vaccines were available to all adults, the excess death rate gap between Republican and Democratic voters widened from −0.9 percentage point (95% PI, −2.5 to 0.3 percentage points) to 7.7 percentage points (95% PI, 6.0-9.3 percentage points) in the adjusted analysis; the excess death rate among Republican voters was 43% higher than the excess death rate among Democratic voters. The gap in excess death rates between Republican and Democratic voters was larger in counties with lower vaccination rates and was primarily noted in voters residing in Ohio.
Source: Wallace J, Goldsmith-Pinkham P, Schwartz JL. Excess Death Rates for Republican and Democratic Registered Voters in Florida and Ohio During the COVID-19 Pandemic. JAMA Intern Med. 2023;183(9):916–923. doi:10.1001/jamainternmed.2023.1154
Some great news for immuno-compromised individuals. A monoclonal antibody infusion has been given EUA for use as an infection prophylactic.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousd...
The FDA issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for pemivibart (Pemgarda)opens in a new tab or window as COVID-19 pre-exposure prophylaxis in immunocompromised individuals who are unlikely to mount a sufficient immune response following vaccination, the agency announced on Friday.
This is life changing news for many people.
