Diamonds aren't forever

I would fold air to the delayed cbet on the wet board. There are so many hands to hit this board and so many semibluffs.

I would fold preflop without callers ahead of me. Prefer 3! to call preflop.

Personally I would be folding pre. However we are pretty deep here so I guess I can see why to play this hand. I just don't think the V will pay us off enough if we bink the flop but you would probably know if this is the case better than I would. We completely whiffed this flop and turn so I would be folding to the turn bet. However, here we are on the river and the only way to win would be to bet large. With that in mind I would still just give it up.

Did you bet 260 and got called by AJ no clubs?

or AcQx

Such a bad wet turn to try to get a fold on.

thats a lot of money to put in preflop on a speculative hand.

if 3b and call pre are generally pretty close, would always opt for the more aggro line when theres more straddles (i think ppl less likely to 4b or do crazy ****)

Villain is going to be opening a very strong range from UTG when there are 2 straddles and he makes it 40. I dont see any reason to get involved preflop. I wouldnt mind if you want to play this hand vs a later open with only 1 straddle or no straddles on.

As played, raising turn with a complete airball is spew. This board smacks his range and he has a bunch of straights, flushes, and particularly boats. I dont read his flop check as weak. I do a lot of range checking when oop as preflop raiser vs better players. I think you are getting snapped off if you try to bluff river.

Preflop is speculative with so many others left to act. We're really not that deep with super-straddle on. But here we are...

Flop: the board is so wet that I'm not sure what V's range checks are. Seems weak to me.

Turn: V can delay c-bet with JJ and the rest of his preflop range I guess. H's raises are polarized to small flushes and AcX semi-bluffs. I think V probably needs a lot of Acx to call here, also JcJx, KJ/KcQx.

River: River Q is better for V's range I think. We rep small flush. Only an overbet is going to work here. We have to fold out JJ, KJ and maybe one ATs. Will this work 1/3 of the time? Probably. But I would want to know this V has a fold button to make this move. Otherwise give up as we only have 160 invested.

I like your thread titles but this hand is a FPS mess.

We are not that deep (100bb ) with second straddle. Straddlers tend to be less passive so with 4 players to act this may just be a fold pre. Would suck to put in 40 and have to fold to a 3-bet. I would lean toward 3-betting myself if opener was from later position. If we have a good sense that a 3-bet from the blinds and straddles is unlikely, sure, flat with a NF wheel draw and have some fun.

We have no advantage on this board at all, minimal if any equity, and no blockers. This is an easy give up on any street for me.

PRE - 3B or fold. With $12 double-straddle on, it's probably just a pure fold against V in his current state.

TURN - effing fold. You're trying to draw to an inside-straight on a 3-flush board. What the serious f**k?

RIVER - Do not bluff. If this guy was going to fold, he'd have done it on the turn.

I fold pre but that's just me. I don't think it's worth it to continue otr.

Okay thanks everyone. Here's was my thinking during and after - during was much more limited because live play and limited time but...

1. I had seen this guy be weak tight a lot, and open out of line this session. He likes to 'make a good fold' and protect his stack. I know he sees me as competent and I felt there was a yahoo factor here where he sometimes just has A5s or 88 that is getting out of line.

2. The check flop, 1/3rd delay cbet seemed weak to me. I felt his range composed two parts - premiums like KK, QQ, TT, AJ and KQ. And high strength marginal hands like JTs, QJs, KJs, AKo/s, AQo/s. With about a 50/50 split in combos - but more combos of the marginal stuff (pair+OESD+GSSD+BDFD type thing).

3. Because I'm raising pot roughly I just need to fold the bottom 51% of his range here to make this profitable and thought "what does he do here with KJhh? I think I can fold these hands out.

4. OTR I thought the Q♥ is definitely his card and my repped flush would slow down. He can be boated or quaded up now so I think this one-and-done turn raise was my stab to take it down - with very little to no SDV.

Result:

Well played by V tbh.

Well played all around 😀

i think not many / potentially none of the marginal combos you listed are playing the turn as a b/f. its easy to use math to justify decisions "only needs to work 50% of the time" and that you got called by the nuts but i think you're severely underestimating the stregnth of oop turn betting range and over estimating the amount of hands you represent while having mostly useless blockers and equity

People are much more narrow when they raise from EP after a double straddle, and all we know is he opened "A9 and QJ" but from what position? Those are standard opens from a lot of them. I would at least want a broadway card if I was even contemplating a light 3bet to a guy who we know is a "weak tight nit"; but that's just me.