Weird river spot, when we block bet and get raised huge
A little info on the villain and game flow.
Villain sat w 1k. Drinking. Loud, having a good time. Adds 1k more, within the hour he’s down to 1k. Game is playing pretty loose.
Avg stack at the table was approx 2.5k
1/3 NLH, match the stack, 7 handed
1k effective.
Preflop:
UTG straddle 6. UTG+1 blind raise to 12. Folds to us in the sb, we have 9h9s, we raise to 40. Folds to the blind raiser and he 3! To 150. We call.
Flop (pot 300):
Action: 8h 7h 3d. We check. Villain bets 100. We call.
Turn (pot 500): 3s
Action: check/check
River (pot 500): 3h
Action: We block bet 75 ( targeting A high, the occasional K high)
Villain raises to 500. Us?
should have bet more on the river imo
as played it's a snapcall
This sounds like an awesome game to be in. Is this is Texas? I play in FL, so I do sometimes find myself in games like this too.
I would snap call. There is a good chance you induced this raise with the tiny river bet, and this guy is just trying to have fun.
Did the blind raiser look at his cards the second time when he reraised to 150. If not I'm probably just reshoving. We're only a dog to 4 hands.
As played. I like it. I sigh call now. I don't think it's a fist bump by any means, but he probably has more than enough **** to make it worth while.
Did the blind raiser look at his cards the second time when he reraised to 150. If not I'm probably just reshoving. We're only a dog to 4 hands.
As played. I like it. I sigh call now. I don't think it's a fist bump by any means, but he probably has more than enough **** to make it worth while.
He did look at his hand before he put in the 3 bet.
I agree if it was a blind 150, we rip it in there, pre.
This sounds like an awesome game to be in. Is this is Texas? I play in FL, so I do sometimes find myself in games like this too.
I would snap call. There is a good chance you induced this raise with the tiny river bet, and this guy is just trying to have fun.
This game is at turning stone casino in Verona NY.
Why do I feel like he rivered a flush and doesn't realize any pair is a boat?
Can't fold against this V given the action. Can't raise. Just gotta call.
Saw a friend play a similar sort of hand. He flopped the nut flush IP on a monotone board with a 3 on it, x-bet-call, then the turn and river went runner-runner 3's. V jammed river, my friend folded AKs face up. V shows 82s for the flopped 8-high flush.
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Against this guy I smash pre expecting to have 52-56% most of the time and get a lot of folds.
I like your line post, river sizing is good to target weak calls.
What hands are you targeting with your river bet?
Block bet to l target his ace highs, occasional K high. Also if he decides to raise, as he did, evaluate the sizing.
It’s thin, but I feel like he would look me up w A high. Not a line I would take 100% of the time. Or even half the time. But against this V, thought it was the best line. Prob not theoretically approved, but this is a case, I’m not considering gto approved lines.
3!s preflop are not that common in 1/3. When he raises huge on the 87333 board, he is representing QQ+. With a big pair, I would feel pretty good with the 333 runout. I would not be happy against this raise. Would also check the river. You are rarely trapping with a block bet in this situation, so it looks like what it is, and invites a bluff raise if he can't beat 99-TT/A8, putting you in a sticky situation. Depends on your read on how wide he is 3!ing and whether he is good enough to see this is a good bluffing spot.
id block bigger (i think people saying check the river are crazy) and id probably pure call now. probably under bluffed line in general but like theres just no way id be b/f overpair on this runout vs this line after betting ~10% otr particularly vs guy drinking and double straddling
id block bigger (i think people saying check the river are crazy) and id probably pure call now. probably under bluffed line in general but like theres just no way id be b/f overpair on this runout vs this line after betting ~10% otr particularly vs guy drinking and double straddling
*blind raising 12, with no option to raise unless someone else raises* 😉
Degenerate tactics always welcome.
You have an overpair and a boat, but 3-bettor could have a bigger boat.
Preflop is probably the most important decision point. In my humble opinion, I probably just 4bet shove pre or just fold. Calling seems to be the worst option given stack sizes.
As played, I like the postflop decisions. I even like the river block bet. Now let's call it off to the river raise.
Preflop is probably the most important decision point. In my humble opinion, I probably just 4bet shove pre or just fold. Calling seems to be the worst option given stack sizes.
As played, I like the postflop decisions. I even like the river block bet. Now let's call it off to the river raise.
I think shoving preflop does have its merits. But, shoving pre we aren’t getting calls by 22-88, or any other hands we have dominated. Best case scenario is a flip. Sure we deny some equity, but even oop. Don’t mind seeing a flop v this opponent. I will say, in retrospect, I should have raised much bigger pre. Maybe 55-60.
I think shoving preflop does have its merits. But, shoving pre we aren’t getting calls by 22-88, or any other hands we have dominated. Best case scenario is a flip. Sure we deny some equity, but even oop. Don’t mind seeing a flop v this opponent. I will say, in retrospect, I should have raised much bigger pre. Maybe 55-60.
i mean best case is he folds
Sidenote: I find it weird how little everyone is commenting about the preflop decision point. Preflop is where the real decision point in this hand. Why isn't anyone else addressing OP's decision to call the 3bet in the first place?
I am not the preflop police, but this is a tough spot to navigate postflop OOP with a hand like pocket 99 when the 3bet is 15% of effective stacks. We don't have the odds to set mine. Many flops are bad for pocket 99, and we will have to proceed with bad position.
Maybe we should avoid this tough postflop spot by 4bet jamming pre or just folding pre?
I could be convinced that we should prefer calling preflop, but I would need to hear some good reasons. So far, I have not really heard good reasons why we want to take a flop OOP with a hand that will often be faced with bad flops.
OP, please convince me why calling is better preflop than the other options.