The "LOLCANADA" thread...again

The "LOLCANADA" thread...again

So what's new?

I've noticed the Liberals are now ahead in all major polls and Trudeau hasn't even started to campaign yet...i'd be shocked if they lost the election now.

Just shows just how incompetent Conservatives are.

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11 July 2019 at 07:31 PM
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by Luciom k

This I can comment because it's not related to Canada.

Even if Canadian CO2 emissions went to zero tomorrow and stayed there, climate change in Canada would be identical, as climate change depends on global emissions and Canadian emissions are approx 1% of global emissions.

Anybody claiming that reducing emissions in Canada will meaningfully impact climate change in Canada is lying.

Are liberals telling this to the Canadian population? Are they telling Canadians all these efforts won't achieve anyt

No they are not instead they are saying if we do not have a carbon tax forest fires will get worse and we will no longer have White Christmases . The whole time Canada acts as China and India's drug dealer which ill explain in Montreal's post .

by Montrealcorp k

ho boy....
lets say u have 100k in debts.
u got 10k at 10%
u got 40k at 5% interest
u got 50k at 3% interest

which debt would u choose to pay first to get rid as fast as u can your 100k debt ?

switch that with % of emission instead of interest rates and come back to me....

Canada is like 6th per capita in emission in the world in 2016 !
i wont do a hard search for 2023 because its late, its a trend and i know its probably even worst today with the increase we had in oil production.

So if the goal is to eliminate the worst fossil fuels than I think we can all agree Coal and Home Heating oil are the worst . Yet Canada exports all the US coal through Vancouver that Oregon, Washington and California banned through their ports. Justin in 2015 pledged to end that in 2030 yet every year exports rise and lets be honest he will not touch them as that will cost him votes. Also recently he suspended the carbon tax on Home Heating oil as he was getting destroyed in the polls in Atlantic Canada

As for the moral responsibility no one wants to talk about the morality of mining in Africa and slave labor in China to produce so called zero EV cars


As a Canadian, the bill these commentators are talking about is ridiculous if they're accurately reporting about it.


by uke_master k

I mean all the data is there on the super easy super transparent dashboard. That's one of the great things about the liberals, because they have far more transparency than their predecessor (and very likely successor) we get to know the exact status of every single project. It's fantastic. We can see all the accomplishments and the work still to be done. I know you are super eager to call everything a "lie" except for the Big Lie your guy regularly spouts, but sometimes issues are just complicat

Do they keep a dashboard running about Canada being last in Healthcare, affordable housing and GDP per capita growth rate?


by Shifty86 k

Do they keep a dashboard running about Canada being last in Healthcare, affordable housing and GDP per capita growth rate?

Last in healthcare compared to whom?


by Luciom k

Last in healthcare compared to whom?

I am not sure but its bad in Canada


by Luciom k

Last in healthcare compared to whom?

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canada-ranks-l...


Rumours have it Justin is concerned and has a plan that will fix healthcare by 2060 stay tuned for details


Not surprise with the amount of immigration we accept today.

Eighty-six per cent of Canadians aged 18 and older said they had a doctor or a place they usually go for medical care in the 2023 survey by the Commonwealth Fund.

That's down from 93 per cent of those surveyed in 2016 — and means that an estimated four million Canadian adults did not have access to primary care last year, the study said.

Canada also ranked last in ability to get a same or next-day appointment to see a doctor or nurse.

Only 26 per cent of Canadian adults were able to get medical attention that quickly, down from 46 per cent in 2016.

The survey also revealed that Canadians with lower household incomes were less likely to have a primary care provider than those with higher incomes.

We have a great healthcare system, the problem is to have access to it...


by Montrealcorp k

Not surprise with the amount of immigration we accept today.

We have a great healthcare system, the problem is to have access to it...

If you can’t access healthcare how can it be great ?
I’m on the wait list for a family doctor and I’ve been told it’s gonna be years


by lozen k

I am not sure but its bad in Canada

It might be bad in "absolute" terms compared to some ideal you might hold but I am pretty sure it's far better than in Spain, Italy and many other countries


Ok last in a tiny group of excellence for some measures.

Like the same day/next day doctor/nurse access is a dream in most of the world if you don't pay out of pocket. Like I never heard less than a week in Italy unless you were dying or super-threatening urgency.

That idea that 26% of ppl get access within a day in public paid sector is some kind of a dream for normal people in other countries.

Many times it's one month+ here unless you are dying


by Luciom k

Ok last in a tiny group of excellence for some measures.

Like the same day/next day doctor/nurse access is a dream in most of the world if you don't pay out of pocket. Like I never heard less than a week in Italy unless you were dying or super-threatening urgency.

That idea that 26% of ppl get access within a day in public paid sector is some kind of a dream for normal people in other countries.

Many times it's one month+ here unless you are dying

At this rate it will be a decline for Canadians too. When something is declining you don't improve it by saying oh well it could be worse.


by Shifty86 k

At this rate it will be a decline for Canadians too. When something is declining you don't improve it by saying oh well it could be worse.

You could almost use that same phrase with climate changes huh lol


by lozen k

If you can’t access healthcare how can it be great ?
I’m on the wait list for a family doctor and I’ve been told it’s gonna be years

You could have great access with bad doctors and nurses….
Or easy access with very high cost …


by lozen k

If you can’t access healthcare how can it be great ?
I’m on the wait list for a family doctor and I’ve been told it’s gonna be years

I got my doctor couple weeks ago , didn’t had one for 20+ years .
Still I had access to healthcare tho , yes the wait is annoying in hospitals.


by Luciom k

I am not sure how you can claim it will be harder to reduce emissions in the future because that is objectively false obviously.

10, 20, 30 years from now technology will be better.

Solar panels will be more efficient, EV will be more efficient, carbon capture will be more efficient and so on.

Definitionally, every year that passes makes it easier to reduce emissions, so the later you do it the less expensive it is for you to do so.

Is that something that gets told to Canadian voters?

Well jumping on another tangent I guess ….
Based on what ?
The last 10-20-30 years we already went through ?
We already have much better technology, like u put it , from 20 years ago and still we are no where near solving the problem…
It even increases !
So I have no idea why you think the next 20 years will be better then the last 40 years if we don’t do more then just saying « someday someone will wake up 1 morning and find something » .
The trend is clearly not going the way you say it should !


by Montrealcorp k

You could almost use that same phrase with climate changes huh lol

No


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/t...

Expanding domestic oil production

This year, Canada is expected to lead the world in oil production growth.

"It's going to make a big difference to our producers. It's going to make a big difference to us as a government since we charge our royalties based on [oil prices]," said Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, in an interview in Houston.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made the right decision to purchase the project six years ago, she said.

"I'm pleased that they stepped in to de-risk and finish the project," said Smith, adding how Ottawa ideally would have supported other pipelines to ensure they, too, were built, such as Energy East and Northern Gateway.

Hey lozen (and shifty) about Trudeau being against oil or what did Trudeau ever do for us ….
If Danielle smith can acknowledge it I think u can too ….

Only 34 billions !
That must of been increasing the debt right ?
Trudeau must a bad PM being anti oil like that …


by lozen k

Rumours have it Justin is concerned and has a plan that will fix healthcare by 2060 stay tuned for details

Surely your going to show Polievres plan for us to compare to? No?


I don't really get involved with politics, I guess because maybe instinctually it seems like the fundamental factors that affect people are hard to change outside of something drastic happening like publicly funded healthcare and thus I don't care... but MAID (medical assistance in dying) for mental health related reasons was delayed again until 2027. Speaking from personal experience with suicide (my mother committed suicide) and having been interested in MAID in the past and having been suicidal in the past I think that a lot of the people who would be pursuing MAID for this purpose are in fact just suicidal, if not everyone. I'm only speaking from personal experience, but I haven't experienced anything that would ever call for me to end my own life, it was just something I "kind of" wanted to do while other things were going on in my life. I've been hospitalized and have been on medicine in the past, so I kind of get what's going on there in a general sense, but again from my own experience I don't know how someone could get to the point where they would actually need to end their own life. My "desire" to end my life ended, and my understanding is that this has happened for other people who were suicidal too. I didn't have the means to end my own life (I had an extension cord around my neck and felt what it would be like to be hanging - that wasn't happening) so I couldn't do it or even get to that point, but if I did commit suicide it might have seemed to others like it was something I drastically wanted to do when it was just something I "kind of" wanted to do (if that makes sense). Maybe it's the same way for other people, but they actually are able to follow through? I don't know. I've also experienced EXTREME pain. When I was 11 or 12 I had my finger cut open by the hinge side of a door and it was actually hanging. I was in surgery for maybe 20 minutes to an hour from what I remember and during no part of that did I want to end my life. It might have been some of the worst pain to possibly feel and the anesthesia did not work to the best of my knowledge. I think some people might experience prolonged periods of pain, but I don't know if anything prolonged could happen that would come close to what I was feeling, so long as someone received medical attention, so I'm not even sure about MAID for non mental health related reasons. I saw a video on YouTube made by someone who was given MAID and from her own words she might have only gotten it to avoid having a heart attack and to leave on her own terms while she was experiencing complications. I've seen videos of other people who were given MAID and they as well did not seem to be experiencing extreme suffering. I think people pursuing MAID for non mental health reasons could just be suicidal too, or "MAIDicidal" if someone doesn't cross into wanting to end their lives themselves. I don't know everything though, but I do know what it was like for me. I don't think Canada should be offering MAID at all though it seems like something that is afforded by our charter, which is asinine if we've somehow latched ourselves to ideas that would allow someone to pursue something that might simply be for the purpose of suicide.


by Shifty86 k

At this rate it will be a decline for Canadians too. When something is declining you don't improve it by saying oh well it could be worse.

Ok i should have elaborated sorry; main point is aging populations require ever increasing efforts just to stay put with quality.

What I mean is that a yearly decrease in quality is expected because demand grows more than supply, maybe some places can make the miracle of keeping quality approximately the same but even doing that will be exceptionally hard.

You can try to throw ever growing piles of money at it but at some point (and I think everyone is already at that point) you end up with a real resources problem.

Like take the family doctor part of your link, there simply aren't enough family doctors because it's a shitty job and people prefer to be other kinds of doctors.

And people with good jobs prefer to live in major cities (usually, not always) so you will have rural areas without enough doctors.


by Montrealcorp k

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/t...

Hey lozen (and shifty) about Trudeau being against oil or what did Trudeau ever do for us ….
If Danielle smith can acknowledge it I think u can too ….

Only 34 billions !
That must of been increasing the debt right ?
Trudeau must a bad PM being anti oil like that …

I have been clear from the beginning that the government should not have bought trans mountain. The problem was the government makes it impossible to build a pipeline, mine anything .
How much over budget is this pipeline?

Canada needs resource revenue to ever have a hope of balancing a budget . I know one guy thinks budgets balance themselves but it really doesn’t work that way


by Luciom k

Ok last in a tiny group of excellence for some measures.

Like the same day/next day doctor/nurse access is a dream in most of the world if you don't pay out of pocket. Like I never heard less than a week in Italy unless you were dying or super-threatening urgency.

That idea that 26% of ppl get access within a day in public paid sector is some kind of a dream for normal people in other countries.

Many times it's one month+ here unless you are dying

Oh it’s bad here as well . Sadly last March/April I had to deal with it with my brother 3.5 hours to get an ambulance the fire department was there in 5 minutes . In Alberta both are sent . The reason they were all to busy dealing with overdoses.
We hear horror stories about individuals dying in waiting rooms and instead of treatment for cancer they are told about comfort care .

I don’t blame any leader for this it’s just a reality of our aging population and the fentanyl crisis .


by lozen k

Oh it’s bad here as well . Sadly last March/April I had to deal with it with my brother 3.5 hours to get an ambulance the fire department was there in 5 minutes . In Alberta both are sent . The reason they were all to busy dealing with overdoses.
We hear horror stories about individuals dying in waiting rooms and instead of treatment for cancer they are told about comfort care .

I don’t blame any leader for this it’s just a reality of our aging population and the fentanyl crisis .

ah didn't know fentanyl was a big problem in canada as well (it isn't in continental europe for ex)


by Luciom k

ah didn't know fentanyl was a big problem in canada as well (it isn't in continental europe for ex)

Its as bad as in the USA as is the homeless problem.

I know a few paramedics in my old city Edmonton and they say they spend 75% of the calls on Fentanyl overdoses. They than bring them to the hospital and the crew cant leave till they are admitted . Many times they are calling on the same person in the same week

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