British Politics
Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.
Tory leadership contest is quickly turning into farce. Trump has backed Boris, which should be reason enough for anyone with half a brain to exclude him.
Of the other candidates Rory Stewart looks the best of the outsiders. Surprised to see Cleverly and Javid not further up the betting, but not sure the Tory membership are ready for a brown PM.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri...
Regarding the LD leadership contest, Jo Swinson is miles ahead of any other candidate (and indeed any of the Tory lot). Should be a shoe in.
Finally, it's Groundhog Day in Labour - the more serious the anti-Semitism claims get, the more Corbyn's cronies write their own obituary by blaming it on outlandish conspiracy theories - this week, it's apparently the Jewish Embassy's fault...
It's a scene from a TV show but let's pretend it's real (emergency service workers have been attacked before).
I'm asking what you think should happen to the teenagers.
It's a scene from a TV show but let's pretend it's real (emergency service workers have been attacked before).
I'm asking what you think should happen to the teenagers.
If armed police is there, it should shoot to neutralize the threat obviously. You don't even know the age of the perpetrators when that is happening, and a deadly weapon is a deadly weapon.
If they are caught after the fact and the question is which sentence, then it will depend on a lot of things. Actual age (13 vs 18 is obviously a big difference), if we have reason to believe they knew the extent of the damage a molotov can do, how they learnt to make them, and so on. If being lenient allows to catch much bigger fishes (like some crazy evil people training people for violent riot) then you do that as with any organized crime situation. If it's just people who decided to become terrorists by themselves, harsh sentences for adults, and whatever we want to do for those we don't want to try as adults in society.
In general i think that if as a minor your freedom is very limited because society thinks you can't decide for yourself, then your sentence if you act badly, even if very badly, should be just a small fraction of what we would do to adult criminals.
Where to put that age threshold doesn't have an easy answer but it must be coherent. The american model of "trials as an adult" for people who can't get a driving license is immoral imo
Another step in opposing the 'maybe not quite as bad as the tories' party 👍
tories have a 35% chance to win less than 100 seats on betfair, and a 1 in 8 chance to win fewer than 50 seats. the latest yougov poll has them at 19% of the vote
we may be on the verge of a wipeout of such magnitude that it could conceivably pose an existential threat to the party which has been the principle guarantor of the capitalist system in this country for about the last 150 years
and mr so damn socialist selects this as the right time to vote green
0 nouse. this sort of thing is why you never win
The problem was it being an odd time fot labour to give up.
If you approve of spineless starmer than vote for him. Maybe you even believe that the radical policies of relaxing the planning laws is going to do the job
Owen Jones quits labour. How will they survive?
Tory voters
Purging the Owen Jones wing from the Labour party would be an incredible result, let alone them doing it themselves.
... and all the centrist washouts cheered.
Be nice if they cheered all 500,0000 of his followers leaving. Plus those who appreciate his guardian column
the conclusion as usual is that you hate winning labour politicians much more than you hate the tories
not the correct one but no doubt one you will reach a lot
Maybe it helps you feel better for voting for something you really dont want
I've been called a lot worse.
Life of Brian parodied the lefty tendency to schism at the drop of a hat perfectly ('splitters!'), and it's still totally true.
not the correct one but no doubt one you will reach a lot
Maybe it helps you feel better for voting for something you really dont want
to reiterate, and with the proviso that no single vote really matters, you have a chance to participate in perhaps driving a stake into the heart of the tories, and you're like nah not for me
That's nonsense. The tories were dragged to the right by a small group. As starmer lied to get control of the labour party now we have to try to do the same for the left.
nah for me is voting for tory policies ymmv
Those who like what starmer is offering should feel free to argue for it and support it. They have a ****ing cheek to expect those of us to hate it to vote for it.
@Luciom: this you?
Corbynistas bleating after clearing out a good part of the centre, parachuting in notable legends like Claudia Webbe and watching the party take various electoral drubbings.
There’s a place for your lefty in Labour, on the back benches signing early day motions, or on the sidelines shouting “NOT LIKE THAT” whilst adults get on with it.
That's nonsense. The tories were dragged to the right by a small group. As starmer lied to get control of the labour party now we have to try to do the same for the left.
nah for me is voting for tory policies ymmv
Those who like what starmer is offering should feel free to argue for it and support it. They have a ****ing cheek to expect those of us to hate it to vote for it.
If people who agree with you succeed it might be the time most parties realize proportional representation is what is needed when the country is split in at least 4 blocks instead of mainly 2.
Btw the split between real left and technocrat neolib left, and similar definitions for the right, is what happened already in most European countries
reform leading the tories among male voters in latest yougov poll
